Subj : Reality Check!
To   : Ross Cassell
From : Roy Witt
Date : Sat Sep 28 2002 01:33 pm

28 Sep 02 09:08, Ross Cassell wrote to Matt Bedynek:

 RC> Hello Matt!

 RC> 27 Sep 02 19:58, you wrote to All:

 MB>> a new echo.  If I did, its distribution would be limited and
 MB>> private. It would not go on the echolist and would not be
 MB>> distributed by the NAB (no offense).

 RC> I am actually seeing sentiment that echoes not be distributed by the
 RC> Z1B because of the actions of one of its top level hubs of late,
 RC> whose physical location is East of The Mississippi.

 MB>> point).  I am now sure you see why that was a mistake today.  Your
 MB>> actions and those of your colleagues contributed to a series of
 MB>> problems that have yet to unfold but are in the early stages.  The
 MB>> first case of this is propagating beyond the so-called cesspool has
 MB>> already erupted and I cringe at the thought of what lies ahead.

 RC> A.

 RC> The echo in question, FN_SYSOP, is not the cesspool now as it once
 RC> was.

 RC> B.

 RC> Although you werent around in April 2001, I was the elisted moderator
 RC> of the Z1BACKBONE echo and I had it taken from me. I had decided to
 RC> give Dale the password that day, but when I got home that day, the
 RC> deed had already been done. You can sit and tell me that the Z1B SLA
 RC> allowed for a vote to replace the moderator, but not a full majority
 RC> of Z1B members were present to vote. Only 50% or less of the nodes
 RC> were "consulted" for that vote, I do not doubt the outcome of the
 RC> vote would have been any different if all were consulted.

 RC> So one must reconcile the fact that the EK was forced to make a
 RC> determination with 2 separate echoes, at 2 separate occasions, that
 RC> belonged to "groups of people", one belonged to a distribution system
 RC> the other to all the sysops. Its worthy of note that this distinction
 RC> does not fly with the vast majority of other listed echoes.

 RC> Its rather silly to say we have a echo that belongs to the sysops and
 RC> have a moderator/trustee run roughshod over the owners and to simply
 RC> resign oneself to a rules file and say, "well you are gonna have to
 RC> suffer through this guy until October". Change does not get effected
 RC> by sitting on ones hands.

Kinda reminds ya of all that BS about changing P4, doesn't it.


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