Subj : Check yer powder and
To   : Rachel Veraa
From : Thom LaCosta
Date : Tue Oct 01 2002 10:31 am

Rachel Veraa wrote in a message to Thom LaCosta:

 RV> In a message to Dan Ceppa, Thom LaCosta wrote:

 DC>> That's why I do it about every 3 months or less.  And, I do it
 DC>> with all my Echoes at the same time.

 TL> Although no one has tried it....I'd accept an update in the form
 TL> of a text file(see the echolist docs)...it could even be
 TL> delivered via snail mail, FedEx, messenger, etc.

 RV> I'd settle for email, if you'd get rid of that brain-dead
 RV> "mail-abuse.org" nonsense so people could send the update messages
 RV> to you.

Hmmm, mail to elistin@fido261.qis.net is listed in an RBL?

Try it again, and then netmail(routed) me a copy of the bounce message.

 RV> BTW - Take a look at: http://www.safesurf.com/press/press27.htm 

Very interesting article...and yes, there are a few knee-jerk anti-spam zealot 
orginizations that are more than willing to paint with a very broad brush.

One of the worst, in my opinion is SPEWS.  Not only to they label folks as 
spammers who are not, they do so behind a cloak...you can't really reach them.
If you are mislabeled or get your connectivity through someone on their list 
and post a request to be removed in their newsgroup, more often than not the 
mystical they tells you to simply get your sevice for another provider. 

I operate a technical mailing list for amateur radio operators, and my IP is in 
the SPEWS database.  So when a message gets bounced, I use another email
address to list the person know why.  They usually ask for more 
explanation...and one of the things I do is suggest that they do EXACTLY what
SPEWS says...take their business elsewhere.

So far, about 50 per cent of the time, when they email their ISP and ask them 
to remove the block, or they will switch IPS's, the block is removed.

One of my local ISPs, a library of thousands of customers, refuses to use any 
of the spam blockers....and he has a pretty good set of stats to show 
inaccuracies, etc.


cya,
thom
baltimoremd@baltimoremd.com
http://www.tlchost.net/echolist/ 
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