Subj : Horowitz
To   : JOHN FITZGERALD
From : BOB KLAHN
Date : Tue Jun 28 2005 12:29 am

BK>>   Above all else, Horowitz repeatedly lists the
 JF>       failings of black people, but seems not to
 JF>       see any failings of white people.
 JF>
JF>>   Seems that way, aye?  Got once passage to back it up?
 JF>
BK>>   In this I inserted DH> to indicate his text, even though
 JF>       this was copied in by me, as otherwise it can't
 JF>       really be followed.
 JF>       BTW, having typed this, I realize none of what
 JF>       Horowitz says at all makes any sense unless Horowitz
 JF>       thinks blacks are inferior. He seems to think they
 JF>       need his leadership.

 JF>     That might be true to one degree or another.  The same
 JF>     could be said for Jesse Jackson.  So what?

 Jesse Jackson is black. Jesse Jackson talks to blacks and
 preaches about the problems blacks have to blacks, and preaches
 the need to solve their problems...even through teaching
 entrepreneurship to black youth.

 Horowitz preaches black criminality and inferiority to white
 audiences, with no attempt at all to do anything about it.

BK>>    His instruction. He is the wise one.

 JF>     This is what seems to be what is getting under your
 JF>     skin.  Would it make you feel better if critics of the
 JF>     NAACP and their excuse making were uneducated, unwise,
 JF>     etc?

 Uh...Horowitz is unwise, and bigoted. As to uneducated, I don't
 know his background. I do know he got most of what he said
 wrong. Ok, maybe he's stupid more than bigoted.

 JF>   I appreciate the time you took to copy in various
 JF>   passages from Horowitz Bob, but all you have done here,
 JF>   at best, is raise questions about the cause of the Black
 JF>   crime rate and perhaps raised some questions about how
 JF>   Horowitz views this phenomena.

 No, I didn't just raise questions, I showed where Horowitz
 pulled numbers out of his ass to smear black people.

 JF>    As for nailing him as a
 JF>   "hate monger" I would suggest that perhaps you might
 JF>   reflect on your own motives as to why you have described
 JF>   the man with such invective and hate, per your subject
 JF>   head.

 Maybe it's because he published wrong statistics that make black
 people look much worse than any truthful analysis would show
 they are. Maybe it's because he smeared an entire race.

 JF>   Perhaps it is because of all the racial stigmas,
 JF>   black and white, that you have  allowed into your heart...

 John, I researched my numbers, rechecked them to be sure I have
 them current and correct. That's not stigma, that's truth.

 If you don't see that, then you are the one full of stigmas.

 JF>          BK>    Race is an idea whose time has passed.

 JF>  I thought you embraced diversity.

 Every morning and night.

 JF>  Now here you are trying
 JF>  to ignore it. Race is a reality, not an idea.   It's like

 I thought you denied it.

 Somewhere I have a copy of Scientific American from some years
 back. The cover article was on race. It is hard to define,
 scientifically, just what races there are. The traditional
 measure yeilds 4 or 5 true races. Scientific analysis yields
 anything from that down to 2 races. There are some black African
 people who have so much in common with you it's hard to tell you
 apart...scientifically.

 JF>  you're trying to say 'up and down' is an idea whose time
 JF>  has passed.

 Just well could be.

 JF>    You could very well believe this, but if you
 JF>  walk off the edge of a cliff, such an opinion will not
 JF>  spare you from the fate that awaits you at the bottom.

 Depends how far the bottom is.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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