Subj : Re: FAILURE
To   : richardw
From : Ralph Smole
Date : Tue Oct 04 2005 11:11 am

  Re: Re: FAILURE
  By: richardw to Patch on Mon Oct 03 2005 11:23 am

 >   Re: Re: FAILURE
 >   By: Patch to richardw on Fri Sep 30 2005 04:44 pm
 > 
 >  >  > Show me where it says that in the constitution.
 >  >
 >  > The Constitution isn't going to cover every nook and cranny topic, so usi
 >  > it as your basis for this debate won't hold much water I'm afraid.  Accor
 >  > to US Government standards, Public Education is a must and will be part o
 >  > everyone's taxes, regardless of their personal stature or social level.
 >  >
 >  > Need I also remind you that documents such as The Constitution was
 >  > indoctrinated quite a few many years ago, and some documents still carry
 >  > 'laws' that allow us to do certain things that today is against the law. 
 >  > governing manuscripts in any facet need to be updated if for nothing else
 >  > finally abolish all the out dated laws from long ago.
 > 
 > He didn't say "law", he said "right", and the rights of the citizens of
 > this country are defined by the constitution.
 > 
 > Public education is not one of those rights.
 > 
 > Each community may legislate laws as the see fit, that's the inherant
 > beauty of the design of our government.  Too bad it's all being thwarted
 > at the federal level.
 > 
 >  >  > PUBLIC being the problem.
 >  >
 >  > Maybe, then again maybe not.  Not all public schools are less than par on
 >  > education scale of superiority.  Not all private schools dominate over
 >  > public, either.
 >  >
 >  > Public isn't the problem neccessarily, the education system itself is par
 >  > the problem, and individual state and local school systems also add into
 >  > that.  You have a serious amount of people, or in this case 'cooks', and
 >  > they're all spoiling the brew.
 > 
 > Right... The PUBLIC education system.  I'm glad we agree.
 > 
 >  > The one thing I don't understand is people who raise their voice loud eno
 >  > to argue a point with their own aspect of reality to guide them, but in m
 >  > situations won't lift a finger locally to help make a difference.
 >  >
 >  > So while I take your comments at face value, I must also say that arguing
 >  > your point is only the beginning in making a change.  There's still so mu
 >  > more you can do if you feel something is below your set par.
 > 
 > Agreed.
 > 
 >  >  > I'm not saying the populous should not have to pay for education, I'm
 >  >  > saying the education they pay for should be privately ran institutions
 >  >  > with QC, and balance statements, and we should expect a certain level 
 >  >  > results.
 >  >
 >  > I don't know, maybe that could be an answer.  I know here in Florida
 >  > education has gone to the crapper.  My old High School where I graduated 
 >  > turned so bad, they need 2 liason officers there full time, and the staff
 >  > constantly worried about gangs and such.
 >  >
 >  > That's not the system, or the administration's fault that the school is t
 >  > bad.  It really starts at home.
 > 
 > It does.  Punishment should have never been stopped in school.  If a child
 > does something wrong, give him licks.  I got the paddle, my parents got
 > the paddle, it's not "bad" for my kids either.  Just a little emphatic
 > constructive criticism.
 > 
 >  > When my wife and I go to our daughter's school to help them do things, ra
 >  > money, spend time with our daughter in the activities that mean something
 >  > her, what surprises and saddens me the most is being told that we're
 >  > practically the only family that really cares enough to interact with the
 >  > system and show concern for our daughter's education and such.
 >  >
 >  > Get involved ... volunteer, whatever it takes.  But ... do something!
 > 
 > Agreed.
 > 
Yes, do not place the blame on the school systems. It belongs squarely on the
shoulders of the parents and society in general. 
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