Subj : Re: FAILURE
To   : Patch
From : richardw
Date : Mon Oct 03 2005 10:23 am

  Re: Re: FAILURE
  By: Patch to richardw on Fri Sep 30 2005 04:44 pm

 >  > Show me where it says that in the constitution.
 > 
 > The Constitution isn't going to cover every nook and cranny topic, so using
 > it as your basis for this debate won't hold much water I'm afraid.  Accordin
 > to US Government standards, Public Education is a must and will be part of
 > everyone's taxes, regardless of their personal stature or social level.
 > 
 > Need I also remind you that documents such as The Constitution was
 > indoctrinated quite a few many years ago, and some documents still carry
 > 'laws' that allow us to do certain things that today is against the law.  Ou
 > governing manuscripts in any facet need to be updated if for nothing else, t
 > finally abolish all the out dated laws from long ago.

He didn't say "law", he said "right", and the rights of the citizens of 
this country are defined by the constitution.

Public education is not one of those rights.

Each community may legislate laws as the see fit, that's the inherant 
beauty of the design of our government.  Too bad it's all being thwarted 
at the federal level.

 >  > PUBLIC being the problem.
 > 
 > Maybe, then again maybe not.  Not all public schools are less than par on an
 > education scale of superiority.  Not all private schools dominate over
 > public, either.
 > 
 > Public isn't the problem neccessarily, the education system itself is part o
 > the problem, and individual state and local school systems also add into
 > that.  You have a serious amount of people, or in this case 'cooks', and
 > they're all spoiling the brew.

Right... The PUBLIC education system.  I'm glad we agree. 

 > The one thing I don't understand is people who raise their voice loud enough
 > to argue a point with their own aspect of reality to guide them, but in most
 > situations won't lift a finger locally to help make a difference.
 > 
 > So while I take your comments at face value, I must also say that arguing
 > your point is only the beginning in making a change.  There's still so much
 > more you can do if you feel something is below your set par.

Agreed.

 >  > I'm not saying the populous should not have to pay for education, I'm
 >  > saying the education they pay for should be privately ran institutions,
 >  > with QC, and balance statements, and we should expect a certain level of
 >  > results.
 > 
 > I don't know, maybe that could be an answer.  I know here in Florida
 > education has gone to the crapper.  My old High School where I graduated has
 > turned so bad, they need 2 liason officers there full time, and the staff is
 > constantly worried about gangs and such.
 > 
 > That's not the system, or the administration's fault that the school is that
 > bad.  It really starts at home.

It does.  Punishment should have never been stopped in school.  If a child 
does something wrong, give him licks.  I got the paddle, my parents got 
the paddle, it's not "bad" for my kids either.  Just a little emphatic 
constructive criticism.

 > When my wife and I go to our daughter's school to help them do things, raise
 > money, spend time with our daughter in the activities that mean something to
 > her, what surprises and saddens me the most is being told that we're
 > practically the only family that really cares enough to interact with the
 > system and show concern for our daughter's education and such.
 > 
 > Get involved ... volunteer, whatever it takes.  But ... do something!

Agreed.

---
 þ Synchronet þ Eleemosynary ELF - eelf.richardw.net

.