Subj : The War Has No Clothes To : Jazzman From : Daemon Date : Thu Oct 06 2005 12:25 am Re: The War Has No Clothes By: Jazzman to Daemon on Wed Oct 05 2005 10:30 am > > all. I hold no hatred for differing POVs or the people that hold them, b > > great deal of disdain for straw man arguments masquerading as reasoned an > > supported POVs and the people who present them. > > Then you must be most miserable since *ALL* of your postings are > arguments from assorted left-wing radical web sites masquerading > as factual data. You want to throw the word "straw-man" around, > you should as you are the ultimate GURU of straw-man arguments. Hardly. When it's a slanted citation (such as the one which started this little bicker-fest), I tend to say so. Slanted or no, my citations do exist, unlike your own, and my arguments are built upon them systematically and logically. Unlike your own, which you tend to just spew out and support by whining that you aren't taken at face value. Still, despite your posturing, you have yet to address the fundamental question that inspired the WHOLE conversation and present ANY citation, slanted or otherwise, that supports your position over that which I had offered for discussion. Strut all you want, but at the end of the day, you still haven't actually said anything of merit relevent to the point that you're trying so desperately to pretend you've satisfied. > > Of late, you've presented yourself as a dedicated member of the way/no- > > argument club. (Maybe more than lately, actually, but I can't say I've > > bothered to read anything you've posted before recently, so I leave that > > gallery to decide.) > > Yadda, Yadda, Yadda. That's one of your main problems, you close your > eyes whenever anyone points you towards the light. And further, you > lie. You say you havn't bothered reading anything i've posted recently > but you continue to respond to all my posts. Go back and re-read what you quoted a few times until you figure out where your comprehension of it turned to crap. Pay particular attention to the words "anything you've posted before recently" and find someone to help you with the past/present/future tense of it before trying again. *shakes head* With every post, you're making yourself look dumber and dumber. Why don't you just either stop pretending you have a supportable viewpoint or actually support it rather than continue to do this to yourself? > > See, the opinions, values, and beliefs aren't what I have a problem wit > > They, in case you really are too ignorant to know this, are what makes > > communication possible between any two individuals, in any capacity, in a > > Then you aren't being truthful. And in case *your* to ignorant to know > this, there are many types of communication and many capacities of > which to communicate. Diversity of opinion can be a good thing as long > as logical and respectful debate/argument can be maintained. Clearly, > your unable to be respectful. J, communication is the exchange of ideas. If the ideas are common to begin with, there's nothing to exchange. It IS the diversity that is the meat of communication. Everything else is just fluff and if that's what you're looking for, again - you should go over to the shallow end of the DoveNET pool where noone will challenge anything you have to say. Or care, for that matter. But involve yourself in a reasoned debate and expect to be asked to provide the reasoning behind your position. *shrug* Which is all I've asked of you since day one but instead of providing it, you think you can pretend you have and noone will notice. Which is pretty sad, given the amount of effort you're putting into it. One would think if you were going to try so hard to demonstrate how right you are, you'd actually put a little effort into actually demonstrating it SOMEwhere along the way. > > Then you wouldn't have to be sitting there whining right now. > > It appears to me your the one whining and tossing insults. Apparently, > that's about the tall and short of you. What have I whined about? I've been consistently asking you, in quite a few different ways, to simply support what you say. Instead, you respond by whining about how mean I'm being to you while simultaneously assigning me political positions I don't ACTUALLY hold in derogatory fashion. Which is only barely amusing to me and nothing more. I have no intention of rising to the bait, regardless of what position you try to assign. > > Sure you are. Every counter you offer devoid of reasoned support is > > ego-masturbation. Without anything backing it up, it could hardly be any > > more. > > Again, something you evidently know lots about. You really come across > as someone with a horrible attitude. Well, I do tend to run into some pretty dedicated ego-masturbaters here in DoveNET, youself included. As for my attitude, you REALLY need to grow a thicker skin so you can take what you dish out. > > Let's remember here that this discussion began with you decrying an edi > > piece I offered for discussion and that you chose to discuss by very obvi > > Why don't you remember correctly ? You offered a link for review and > i reviewed it and then commented. "Opinionated dumbness" if i remember > correctly. I stand by that remark. Since you didn't write it, i don't Actually, your reply was that the author "probably used MTV as a source", obviating the fact that you didn't have the slightest clue what citations he'd actually used, a sense of their veracity, and implying you probably hadn't REALLY read what it was you were critiquing anyway. In other words, you very clearly announced your absolute ignorance of what it was you were talking about. And when I asked if you had "real" citations to support your counter-view, you stamped your feet, pouted, and started this parade of whining posts rather than just do so. > correctly. I stand by that remark. Since you didn't write it, i don't > quite see why your so offended by my comments. Is it merely due to the I'm not in the slightest offended by your position. In fact, I really couldn't care less what it actually is. Perhaps I WOULD have, if you'd bothered to engage in intelligent conversation about it, but that's not the direction you chose to take, so your opinion, unfounded, unsupported, and smothered in about a week's worth of petulence as it is, doesn't amount to much to me, really. *shrug* It's not like I've championed defending the offered viewpoint, either. Just simply asked you to provide reason to actually discuss it, but we don't seem to be able to get there because you're too busy acting like a baby so that's about all I've had the inclination to deal with along the way here. Sorry, pal, but you chose the level of communication right off the bat and have stubbornly refused to deviate from it throughout. > fact that i'm right ? If you wish to subscribe to that conspiracy > theory crap ( and that's exactly what it is..crap), be my guest. Just Well, at this point I'm tempted to ask you to support that opinion, but we ALL know that you won't actually bother to try. Probably because you wouldn't have the slightest clue how, if what I'm seeing of your hollow opinions to everyone around here are any indication. > > *shrug* To which, all I replied with was essentially a request for you > > justify your position if his was so unjustifiable. > > There is no need to justify opinionated dumbness. It's a conspiracy True, but if you're going to offer "opinionated dumbness" as rebuttals to things I offer for discussion, I don't think it's so much to ask that you at least make an attempt to explain why you think it's relevent or expect me to point out you're just spewing completely unfounded crap again. > > Hardly my fault that, to this day, you have utterly failed to even make > > attempt to do so. > > And you have utterly failed to make a point. *chuckle* See, this is why you keep coming across looking stupid. *I'm* not making a point. *YOU* did. *I'm* just pointing out that YOUR point is utterly groundless, despite MULTIPLE invitations to give it enough substance to actually discuss beyond a way/no-way level. But continue to bitch, pout, and whine if it gets you through the day. Makes no real difference to me. I mean, if that's all you're capable of, then I suppose that's just all you're capable of. Oh, well. 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