Well, Jughead has a new database : 200,000 selectors Just under 30MB I had been making data tables over 200MB. Now we no longer get the /user/ftp/directories at sdf nor the /pygfarm/ directories which contained the dict entries at Quux. I have used some restrictions to try and also eliminate the symbolic links which give jughead such problems. In all I think this is a very good, reasonable, handleable database. The iubio.bio.indiana.edu portion was cut short and I will work on that some more, after that I plan on spidering and seeking out more areas to add again. Gopher Hard! Orintz