*=* Journey to a SIG *=* *=* Bulletin Board entered *=* Bulletin Board command:$C Message: 51975 Author: $ James Hawley Category: Answer! Subject: LAST COUPLE Date: 04/29/88 Time: 22:17:50 I don't see how that can be legal. Message: 51976 Author: $ James Taranto Category: Question? Subject: KFYI Date: 04/29/88 Time: 23:36:33 What exactly are the details of this? Message: 51977 Author: $ James Taranto Category: For sale Subject: Old computers Date: 04/29/88 Time: 23:37:40 TRS-80 Model 4, 128K, 2 disk drives, Hayes Smartmodem 300, printer cable, and lots of software. $500 or best offer. Apple ][, 48K, Applesoft card, disk controller, non-functional disk drive. $250 or best offer. Message: 51978 Author: $ Beauregard Dog Category: Chit Chat Subject: Details/KFYI Date: 04/30/88 Time: 00:54:17 Details are a bit hard to come by. Only a temporary restraining order was issued. Arguments to make it permanent are yet to be held. There will be an extreme miscarriage if it is made permanent. I can hardly see why the judge agreed to issue a temporary order. I'm sorry, it would appear that I've left my copy of today's paper at work. Rev. Beau (or is that Yesterday's Paper?) Message: 51979 Author: Michael Kielsky Category: Chit Chat Subject: Rod Williams Date: 04/30/88 Time: 01:41:07 In response to our earlier 'exchange': Although I may be a very positive person, I can hardly overlook the misery and suffering abounding around the world. I believe that we can agree on this point. Where we will find our greatest differences is in the means to bring that suffering to an end. I would tend to take the 'hands-off', laisse-fair approach, allowing some of the misery to 'naturally' work itself out of this world, through societal forces, WITHOUT undue government influence. As I understand it, you see the government as both an evil (it is by its very definition, a necessary evil [as relates to the U.S. government]), as well as a force that could 'fix' these hardships. This is obviously where we differ (if I have understood you correctly, so far). The government's (undue) influence has a tendency to worsen many problems, rather than solve them permanently. Governments tend to be slightly out of touch with the actual needs, and by their nature tend to devote a lot of resources toward satisfying special interests (pork-barreling). This is bad. Government, as I see it, should confine its role to only doing those things, and providing those services, that individuals themselves cannot.... Message: 51980 Author: Michael Kielsky Category: Chit Chat Subject: ...continued... Date: 04/30/88 Time: 01:45:40 These items include the national defense, a judicial (sp?) system, and law enforcement. Just about everything else can be better provided by an openly competitive market society (playing by generally fair rules, enforced by the above named systems). That's it. Although the above could be considered 'twaddle', and even though I have drifted from my original intent (NOTE: <-- pun), I hope I have made myself clear. Oh well... Michael Kielsky Message: 51981 Author: $ James Hawley Category: Answer! Subject: JT Date: 04/30/88 Time: 03:52:48 I'll give you $10 for all the hardware you mentioned. Message: 51982 Author: $ Ann Oudin Category: Answer! Subject: JT Date: 04/30/88 Time: 08:28:41 I'll give you $11 for all the hardware you mentioned. Message: 51983 Author: $ Beauregard Dog Category: Chit Chat Subject: JT Date: 04/30/88 Time: 09:31:49 Give me $50 and I'll take all of the hardware you mentioned. Rev. Beau Message: 51984 Author: $ James Taranto Category: Chit Chat Subject: Hawley/Oudin/Dog Date: 04/30/88 Time: 11:21:23 Shut up, you wise-asses. Message: 51985 Author: $ James Taranto Category: Chit Chat Subject: Kielsky Date: 04/30/88 Time: 11:21:36 The correct spelling is "laissez faire." Message: 51986 Author: Apro Poet Category: Chit Chat Subject: Reality Club Date: 04/30/88 Time: 13:25:37 We are fond of labeling recent, large, adaptive, expanding populations of mammals as "evolutionarily advanced." We tend to think of rapid change and aggressive patterns of reproduction, recent evolutionary appearance and large size as advancement. Yet we could claim, even by these same criteria, that machines are even more evolutionarily advanced than the large mammals. They change form at a far more rapid rate than any animals: witness the automobile, the telephone, the photocopier, and the personal computer. Machines, as a group, are able to survive more extreme environments than are people and other mammals. Mammals, for example, unless they have evolved for millions of years in watery environments, cannot survive under water without submarines. Submarines, on the other hand, manage very well beneath the sea, managed by remote control machines at the surface. Machines have penetrated space and remained there far longer than people have. The two Viking Landers, launched in 1975 and now stripped of their autopoiesis, still decorate the stark surface of Mars. In many localities the rate of machine growth, taken together, far exceeds the rate of human growth. In general, generation time for machines is far shorter than that for people. Machines outperform people in information functions such as arithmetic and printing. Machines have a greater range of Message: 51987 Author: Apro Poet Category: Chit Chat Subject: Reality Club Date: 04/30/88 Time: 13:31:02 mechanical energy at their disposal, such as nuclear fusion, combustion, and photovoltaic power. That machines apparently depend on us for their construction and maintenance does not seem to be a serious argument against their capacity to evolve. In the future we may program machines to program and reproduce themselves even more independently from us - at present machines evolve - using autopoietic us as an integral part of their evolutionary mechanism. Message: 51988 Author: Michael Kielsky Category: Chit Chat Subject: Laissez Faire Date: 04/30/88 Time: 15:28:55 Thanks. I was just too tired (lazy) to go look it up, or to try to figure out the spelling, otherwise. Oh well. Message: 51989 Author: $ Mike Carter Category: Hard/Software Subject: Falcon problems Date: 04/30/88 Time: 15:47:12 In regards to my last message about the F-16 simulator package by Spectrum Holobyte: Anyone using the ATI Graphics Solution card and who has a copy of any software that performs a cold boot seemingly at random parts without any reason or direction from user input should be aware that the ATI card has numerous differences in direct (non-msdos calls) for video screen graphics. The new version of FALCON apparently takes this into consideration and relieves the problem. Message: 51990 Author: $ James Hawley Category: Answer! Subject: Taranto Date: 04/30/88 Time: 16:53:09 Shut up you pimple faced, textbook punk. Message: 51991 Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi Category: Chit Chat Subject: JT/hardware Date: 04/30/88 Time: 17:21:49 I'll give you $20 for all the hardware, and to sweeten the deal I'll give you the $5 you say I owe you because I allegedly told you I'd pay for a movie if you didn't enjoy it. Message: 51992 Author: $ James Taranto Category: Chit Chat Subject: last Date: 04/30/88 Time: 19:41:46 Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten all about that $5. Pay up. What movie was it, anyway? Message: 51993 Author: $ Beauregard Dog Category: Chit Chat Subject: JT/Spelling Date: 04/30/88 Time: 21:19:14 One usually sees it as "laissez-faire" with the hyphen... (If you advertise toy computers here, you should know what to expect) Bulletin Board command:EH You chose Hard/Software Subject:JT Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop 1: Donate the stuff to a museum (or a school). 2:end Edit command:S Saving message... The message is 51994 Bulletin Board command:EC You chose Chit Chat Subject:Kielsky Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop 1: Believe it or not, I agree with you. Government is necessary for 2:lines of supply, communication and defense. 3: In any large group there is a need for some of the people to 4:organize these things however the government we now have is way out of line. 5: To be a basically good citizen and be afraid of your own government 6:means it is time to speak out. 7: Yes, evolution will eventually change civilization around because we 8:learn from our mistakes but an individual who writes a story, composes a 9:song or a poem, paints a picture, directs a movie has an excellent chance to 10:make this world evolve that much faster. 11: Whatever rate we evolve is normal but where would we now be if Mark 12:Twain or the Beatles had never stepped forward, if they had decided not to 13:go public? There are many people who fit this bill and by keeping quiet, 14:yes the world will still continue changing but perhaps jsut not as fast. 15: I guess you could say I was in a hurry to have a good time. Why 16:settle for an bleak existance when it is possible to have a grand one? 17: If my body was taken from this world right this instant, I couldn't 18:miss it. It would be like me missing a dull toothache. However, I have a 19:total of nine children in this world, not to mention that everyone is in 20:fact, related to each other, so whatever I can do to spped things up, I will 21:and after that my flesh can go to the worms for food. 22: Rod 2 lines left 23:end Edit command:S Saving message... The message is 51995 Bulletin Board command:P *=* Post Office entered *=* To send mail to operator use <SYSOP> First name:JAMES Last name:TARANTO Send mail to James Taranto:Yes Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop 1: It seems that the people who are opposing Tom Leykis' being taken 2:off the air are being served with 'cease and desist orders. If you want to 3:find out more, get on Tom Leykis' BBS, 602-944-6397, it is ALL there. You 4:do have to wait a day for validation. 5: Tom, as you may know, is an outspoken person of the atheist 6:persuasion. Since his forced retirement (with pay) form KFYI, a group was 7:started by several people, calling themselves Friends Of Tom Leykis. This 8:group posted on Tom's BBS, for all to see, names, addresses and phone 9:numbers of every sponsor of KFYI plus the names of the owners and 10:management, calling for a boycott and letter writing and phone calls and 11:then set up a picket that would have taken place 5/4/88 at 12 noon. 12: After being 'served' the group tried to get in touch with Louis 13:Rhodes, ACLU and he was out, they then tried to get in touch with the main 14:director with no success (this was two days ago). I was told by the local 15:chapter of the American Atheists they are now planning a picket in several 16:weeks. 17: Rod 18:P.S. First Amendment City, eh? 19:end Edit command:S Saving message... Post Office command:JVOI *=* Journey to a SIG *=* *=* VOID Bulletin Board entered *=* VOID Bulletin Board command:$C Press <A> to abort Message: 1313 Author: $ Carol Graham Category: Chit Chat Subject: ann/wild man Date: 04/30/88 Time: 00:16:21 Your description of Rod was perfect! He's gotta quit eating that stuff. Carol-> Message: 1314 Author: $ Carol Graham Category: Answer! Subject: David Burkhart Date: 04/30/88 Time: 00:17:55 You just burst another bubble! If he didn't do the programming and was lousy at it, then that leaves nothing about him to be admired. <HEHEHEHEH> Gads! I am free at last!!!!! carol-> Message: 1315 Author: $ Beauregard Dog Category: Chit Chat Subject: Dinner/Rod Date: 04/30/88 Time: 00:56:37 If I come, do I have to work for my meal? I'm not very entertaining. Message: 1316 Author: $ James Hawley Category: Answer! Subject: Last Date: 04/30/88 Time: 03:54:26 Just wear your CIA shirt. Message: 1317 Author: $ Ann Oudin Category: Chit Chat Subject: Carol Date: 04/30/88 Time: 08:35:34 No, NO - not Rod! Ed Sharpe! That's spelled S.H.A.R.P.E. =*--ANN--*= VOID Bulletin Board command:EC You chose Chit Chat Subject:Carol Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop 1:What stuff must I quit eating? 2:end Edit command:S Saving message... The message is 1318 VOID Bulletin Board command:EA You chose Answer! Subject:Beau/din Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop 1: That's simple, just bring some oranges or bowling pins or fire 2:torches or watermellons or three chainsaws. You have to figure out what to 3:do with them. 4:end Edit command:S Saving message... The message is 1319