Subj : Re: race To : Nightfox From : jimmylogan Date : Tue Aug 05 2025 16:32:40 -=> Nightfox wrote to jimmylogan <=- Hey! Been absent from the BBS during the summer break from school/work. :-) Had our grandson from out of town with us ALL summer - it was great!!! :-) Ni> Re: Re: race Ni> By: jimmylogan to Nightfox on Wed Jun 04 2025 09:23 pm Ni>> I'm not an expert, but I don't know how one comes to the conclusion that Ni>> evolution is unprovable..? ji> Because it's a theory, and can't be reproduced in a lab or other ji> controlled setting. There is absolutely no evidence of one species (or ji> kind) changing from one to another. Ni> Well there would have to be some evidence, or else nobody would have Ni> come up with the theory of evolution. I'm not an expert either, but I've looked into it. Have you heard of the 'misssing link' that links modern humans with lower animals? Well it's not the only 'missing link' there is - there are NO links at all from one 'kind' to another. Experts will tell you that it takes time - billions of years - for the changes to happen. That's their explanation - given enough time, anything can change to something else. So there is no evidence at all. There IS evidence of animals adapting to their environment, but this is NOT the evolution theory that is taught. Ni> But I'm not an expert.. It Ni> seems to me, though, that it's natural for things to change, and we Ni> have seen gene mutations, so there's that.. Yes, and feel free to give me an example! There are a myriad of them, but in NONE of those cases did a dog become a cat, or a giraffe become a horse. Adaptation or mutation WITHIN a species? Absolutely! But from one to another? Not there... Ni>> And how do we know God himself didn't set evolution in motion? ji> Because He tells us, through the writing of Moses, that "in the beginning ji> He created male and female" and these human beings were made AFTER the ji> ocean animals, land animals, plants, etc. Ni> I don't think that suggests that God didn't set evolution in motion.. Ni> It only says God created male and female/Adam and Eve. If He had set evolution in motion, I think we would have been told. Instead, we are told that He created. And we are told in what order. Ni> And where does Ni> the bible say that happened after creating ocean/land animals etc.? In Genesis, we are told that God created 'night and day' on Day One. On Day Two, He created the atmosphere. On Day Three, He created 'dry ground,' and then created the plant life. Day Four sees the rest of the universe being created - the stars, sun & moon for seasons - to mark time. Day Five is when ocean/sea life is created and birds are created. Day Six sees all the land animals created, and then man is created. Ni> That would also account for the dinosaurs being around before humans Ni> (which we have plenty of fossil evidence for), I submit that the scienctists that report this 'fossil evidence' have a worldview that influences it. Fossils are created when things are buried rapidly, not over a long period. Have a wild animal die in your back yard and it will be gone in no time at all, becasue it is not protected from the other animals or the elements. There's no way it will become fossilized. But bury a huge number of creatures over a matter of minutes, hours, days - whatever - and you WILL find almost more fossils than you can count! I believe that's what happened in the Flood of Genesis Six. Scientists BELIEVE that it took a long time to create the fossils because they do NOT believe in a global flood, or the Biblical account. They can NOT recreate in a lab fossilization that takes a long, long time, but they CAN recreate fossils in a SHORT period of time. Ni> but I've heard some Ni> people say the Genesis story seems to conflict with the idea of there Ni> being dinosaurs on Earth long before humans. Dinosaurs were around - the bones prove it. But why 'long before humans?' Where is the proof in that? Carbon dating? Take a look at the 'ancient' trees that were carbon dated after Mount Saint Helens. What about the soft tissue that has been found in dinosaur bones? Soft tissue that the scientists say can't be more than 10,000 or so years old, but is in a bone that they insist is MILLIONS of years old. ji> Jesus confirms this and says the Old Testament is fact. He said He was ji> God, that He would be killed and rise again - and then He did exactly ji> that, proving He was who/what He said He was. Ni> I know there are accounts of people saying his tomb was guarded, but Ni> still his body was no longer there. Are those accounts reputable Ni> though? As far as I know, there has never been another account of Ni> anyone else doing that, so we know it's not a thing that typically Ni> happens. Exactly! No one else has done it of their own accord! But how can we take the word of these people? The people that DIED because they believed it? People will die for something they believe, but they won't normally die for something they KNOW is a lie... The way I like to say it is, have you ever met "insert historical figure here?" Someone from over 100 years ago. How do you know they even lived? Because someone wrote it down as an eyewitness. People have no problem believing the eyewitness of those that fought at Gettysburg, or rode on the ships that Columbus was in charge of... Ni>> We have a lot of genetic Ni>> diversity in the world today - How does that come about if we all came Ni>> from only 2 people? ji> The same way it happens with dogs... It only takes a few generations for ji> an impressive amount of genetic variety to show up. Ni> So, a species can evolve to develop other traits? If they are hard coded into the DNA, sure! But a dog won't develop wings. A bird might evolve into a longer or shorter beak, and a bird might evolve into a bird that doesn't fly anymore, but a dog will never become a bird. ji> Without a literal Adam and Eve, you don't just lose the Genesis account. ji> You undercut the very foundation for the gospel itself. Ni> I thought the foundation of the gospel was that through belief in God Ni> and Jesus, we are forgiven for our sins. Or is that more of a New Ni> Testament thing? It all points to Jesus. Genesis 3:15 is what I and others consider the first prophecy in the Bible. It foretells of One to come against the enemy. If Genesis is not literal, then do we need Jesus to come and take the punishment for our sin? Our sin that is passed down from Adam? 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