Subj : Re: Charlie Kirk Murdered To : Dumas Walker From : jimmylogan Date : Fri Oct 31 2025 19:24:16 -=> Dumas Walker wrote to JIMMYLOGAN <=- > DW> He did help expose some hypocrasy in today's college students, even if > DW> you don't agree with the methods he used to to so, but his melding of > DW> religion and politics was objectionable and dangerous. > I'm gonna disagree with you there. Politics is supposed to be > "of the people, for the people, by the people." The 'people' have > a religious belief which is inseperable from their inner being. > For example, do you vote your religious beliefs? I would assume > so... DW> Not necessarily. Religious beliefs and moral values are related in a DW> lot of people, but melding politics and religion together is dangerous. DW> We don't live in a theocracy. If someone is running for office and DW> supposedly shares my religious beliefs, but I also believe they would DW> ruin the country's economy, security, etc., I would not vote for them. Okay - let me be a little more direct. If someone 'supposedly' shares your belief but you think they would ruin things, do they really share your beliefs? In other words, if someone shares your beliefs about transgender, that there is only two genders, would you support them? Because if you believe that's not positive for the country as a whole, then do you really have that belief to begin with? Does that make sense? I am a disciple of Christ - period. If someone has the fruit of the Spirit and is running for office, then I'm going to support them if it matches my personal convictions. If I believe their views are NOT GOOD for the country, then I don't see how I could agree with them. DW> There also seem to be a lot of people who believe that Donald Trump DW> is a person of high morals and religious values, and I believe that DW> view is delluded. His expression of his feelings towards his enemies DW> that he expressed during the serivce for Kirk should have opened their DW> eyes on this. I didn't watch it, so I can't comment on it, but I will say that people that look to Trump as the moral pinacle are delluded for sure. If someone is a true follower of Christ, then they SHOULD know that politics is not the answer - and politicians are not the Savior. God is in control. DW> But, last I checked (which has been months now), you still have people DW> in FIDO POLITICS who think Trump is Jesus. Last I checked, Jesus DW> believed you should love your enemies, something Trump has said he does DW> not do. Yeah there are those that think Trump is the Christ. And yes, Jesus loves His enemies and tells us to as well. Part of the issue is that the definition of love is not the same to everyone. Jesus loved me so much that He died for my sins, even though He had no sins of His own. But when you turn to Him, you are instructed to 'sin no more' - you are instructed to repent. You are 'loved and accepted,' but not expected to continue to do things that He has said not to do. > DW> Only acceptable when it is against people one doesn't agree with. > Never acceptable at all. I wasn't there, and wouldn't have > wanted to be there on January 6th. That being said, there > are reports of FBI people there as well. Does that cloud > anything for you? It does for me! DW> I don't believe it is acceptable, but there are a lot of folks who do DW> believe it is acceptable so long as it is against people they don't DW> agree with, but not against "one of their own." That includes both DW> MAGAs and lefists, by the way. DW> As for January 6, it does muddle things but, ultimately, if you have a DW> leader who is... DW> (1) throwing a loser's party in DC on the same day as the DW> certification of the Electoral College, despite the advice from his DW> advisors that he probably shouldn't do it; DW> (2) that believes enough that things could get out of hand that he DW> claims he asked for additional security; DW> (3) and he doesn't decide to alter or cancel his plans when he finds DW> out that additional security won't be available... DW> then you have someone who at least shares the fault in what happened DW> next. Rather than accept any of the fault, Trump has deflected it all. DW> TL;DR - If you don't throw an ill-advised loser's party for the FBI to DW> infiltrate, nothing happens... or at least nothing that can be tied DW> back directly to you. I don't know all the details, and honestly don't have a huge opinion either way. If he really did cause it, then blame him. But if it wan't actually his fault, then... Well... :-) .... Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks --- MultiMail/Mac v0.52 þ Synchronet þ Digital Distortion: digitaldistortionbbs.com .