Subj : Re: Most memorable modern
To   : Dumas Walker
From : Gamgee
Date : Sat Jun 07 2025 19:26:13

-=> Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

 >  pF>  Our current administration is actively removing tributes to
 >  pF>  famous and successful African-Americans.

 > Haven't heard about this one.  Any examples that you could provide?

 DW> Google "US renaming Tubman" to find something regarding the renaming of
 DW> naval ships.  IMHO, it was a little odd to name ships after civil
 DW> rights leaders, social activists, and Supreme Court members who weren't
 DW> in the Navy.

Agreed, very odd.  Not acceptable, even.

 DW> That isn't saying that some of them, like Tubman, don't have a very
 DW> significant place in our country's history, as they do, but I think it
 DW> was a little weird they named a ship after Ruth Bader Ginsberg to begin
 DW> with. That said, it was done and I don't really support spending the
 DW> time, effort, and money on changing these things.

Fully agree on the significance of Tubman, just not on the chosen method 
of recognition. No way that RBG gets that honor, other than DEI.  I'm 
for changing both of those ship names.  There are others, too - I 
recently saw something about the USS Harvey Milk being considered for 
re-naming also.  Another 100% DEI thing, and should be un-done.

 DW> They have also considered renaming a military base or two.  Fort
 DW> Cavazos, the former Ft Hood, is one that has been floated as up for a
 DW> possible rename (back to Ft Hood).  The person it was renamed after is
 DW> a former military man -- a four star general -- so the name makes more
 DW> sense.  But, since he's hispanic (and Hood was CSA), having his name on
 DW> it is "DEI."

Just another un-doing of a mistake by Biden and company.  Like it or 
not, the Civil War and the CSA are parts of our history.

 > Also, is this like the previous administration removing all kinds of
 > tributes/statues/memorials of famous and successful Southern-Americans
 > from the Civil War era, because of what they stood for?  Oh, and also
 > like the renaming of military installations because they had
 > "offensive" names?

 DW> I didn't necessarily support the renaming of Ft. Hood but, now that it
 DW> is done and (IMHO) it was renamed after someone deserving, I don't
 DW> support changing it again.  It was wasteful then and would be wasteful
 DW> now.

Send the bill to Biden.

 >  pF>  I'm not claiming reparations are the solution I'd choose, but the
 >  pF>  problem persists.

 > What solution *would* you choose, pray tell?  How, exactly, can this
 > problem be "fixed"?

 DW> I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government
 DW> would come up with.  IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could
 DW> stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything
 DW> on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of
 DW> doing so.

Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible.  What isn't 
right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are 
generations removed from anybody who was mistreated.  "Correcting" a 
wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.



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