Subj : Re: immigration third way
To   : poindexter FORTRAN
From : jimmylogan
Date : Thu Nov 20 2025 13:15:41

-=> poindexter FORTRAN wrote to jimmylogan <=-

 -=> jimmylogan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

 pF> I think democrats want due process with constitutional protections.

 ji> Non citizens aren't protected by the US Constitution...

 pF>  I think you might want to re-read the Constitution.

 pF> "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
 pF> crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
 pF> cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
 pF> actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
 pF> subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
 pF> limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
 pF> against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
 pF> due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
 pF> without just compensation."

Okay - you're right that the 5th Amendment doesn't specify "citizens."
Your quote is correct: it says "person," so due process applies to 
anyone under U.S. jurisdiction.

My point was that the same full set of rights doesn't extend to 
non-citizens. They don't have the right to vote, hold office, 
or automatically remain in the country. Due process should 
absolutely happen in each case - no one should be dragged off 
just because they donƒ€™t have paperwork on them.

But once due process establishes that someone is here illegally, 
that's where deportation is appropriate, not extended stays or 
special privileges.




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