X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fbb9d,a8ba3d441e20b7d X-Google-Attributes: gidfbb9d,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,a8ba3d441e20b7d X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public From: pixel8ed@netcom.com (Diane Wenner) Subject: Re: [Picture] Dragon art thief exposed Date: 1996/09/15 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 180977091 sender: bertino@netcom9.netcom.com references: <51el5g$4mj2@news.gate.net> organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) newsgroups: rec.arts.ascii,alt.ascii-art Allen Mullen (mullen@gate.net) wrote: : Diane Wenner (pixel8ed@netcom.com) wrote: : : : Today I learned from Alex Wargacki that he is the artist : : who drew the work below. [snip] : Tua Xiong did some great work. His romantic pictures have been reposted : here frequently. : This dragon picture always seemed funny to me because it isn't his : style. However, I don't think we should conclude he's an "art thief". He : may not have been the person who put his name on the picture. I suspect : someone years ago innocently attributed it to him by mistake. : Tua Xiong posted a couple years ago and said he no longer had an : Internet account. He was using a friend's account. I doubt he has seen his : name attached to the dragon picture. : Even if Tua Xiong attached his name to someone else's work (which I : doubt), I don't think we should apply a standard used by some today to the : past. Attribution is a fairly recent concept for ascii art. Years ago, no : one expected their work to live on. Collectors frequently attached their : names to others' work and they at least deserve credit for preserving : things that otherwise would be lost. The FAQ mentions that crediting work : is a new concept. There has never been a requirement for this. : It may be counterproductive to get mad at those who don't credit work : the way we prefer. I suspect they will be less likely to help identify the : original author if they are flamed. : Most readers of ascii newsgroups like to see pictures posted and rigid : attribution standards may intimidate potential posters. I think we should : encourage people to post pictures. If they get the attribution correct, : that's great. If not, most readers will still enjoy seeing their post and : serious collectors can sort out the attribution later. : Allen : http://www.afn.org/~afn39695/ascii.htm Hi Allen, I agree with everything you said. I jumped to a conclusion based on receiving a strong letter from Alex Wargacki. I shouldn't have done that. I haven't been involved in ascii long enough; I don't know the history of it; and--worst of all--I did not have "proof". If my first post ever gets back to Tua Xiong, I hope this one does also. Tua Xiong, I am deeply sorry for having made a half-assed assumption; it never occurred to me that someone might have inadvertently attributed it that dragon to you. It is a terrible thing to call someone a "thief" publically without positive proof. I wish I could something to make up for it, but I can't. It's a good thing I'm typing; it is impossible to speak clearly with both feet in one's mouth and one's head up . . . .well, you know what I mean. Diane Wenner ________________________________________________________ | .,,,. | | Diane Wenner Silicon Valley ((~~~?) | | California USA ))(@ @()) ! | (() ^ ((( | |________________________________________...._\~/_...._|