X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fbb9d,327a38845773d68e,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfbb9d,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,c8cd4c4d381bbbe8 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1995-02-10 16:07:39 PST Path: swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sashimi.wwa.com!not-for-mail From: dcau@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daniel Au) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,rec.arts.ascii Subject: Talk: Ripping off Artwork: A discussion Date: 10 Feb 1995 18:07:03 -0600 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 88 Sender: boba@gagme.wwa.com Approved: boba@wwa.com Message-ID: <3hgv37$fmd@gagme.wwa.com> References: <1995Feb7.143947.233@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> <355@acorn.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gagme.wwa.com Summary: Thoughts from articles entitled "Ripping off sigs" Xref: swrinde alt.ascii-art:17253 rec.arts.ascii:4125 Please bear with the summaries of the previous files as it relates to the discussion afterwards... Simon Collins (sc3031@rncb.demon.co.uk) writes: [picture of fox in sig] >>>COPYRIGHT (c) 1994, SIMON COLLINS Fox (J.C.Doran@dcs.warwick.ac.uk) writes: >>I am disputing your claimed copyright to the above ascii fox drawing. [picture of J.C. Doran's original fox sig] Steve Crisp wrote: >Hear, hear, wat's this copyright business anyway?!! [A diddle of my Mr. Bones] >- >I'm working on this far out boneman that was posted recently. Let's >have some more dead stuff Now this is just to get the opinions of others on this newsgroup, no flames intended (please don't be offended Steve). Now, there's a fine line between ripping off another's artwork and diddling it into something else. Case in point, the above statement about working on the far out boneman that was posted (thanks for the compliment by the way). The picture was first made and posted by me. A second party, in this case Mr. Crisp, goes and diddles with it and adds a few changes (see article 20688 for reference.) Now looking at the artwork, there is now no longer a mention that I am the artist, which was there originally (see article 20547 for full picture): > # || || __ > # || || || > # () () |~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > # || || | by DCAU! | > # || || |____________| > # o o || > # /||' '||\ -__---_-_||_-__--_--- And thus the original creator was lost. Now Steve did a nice diddle of the skeleton and added his own stake in the ground. Who is the artist now? Personally, I would have liked my name retained on the diddle (as was TL Hesman's name was kept in the evolution of the lovebirds, for those of you who keep up with the posts). I know in the real world this won't always happen because people don't want to spoil 'their' artwork with someone elses name, but it would be nice and it is courteous. Over the years, no doubt tribute will be lost, but this was a first time post for this picture. I'm sure Felix Lee, Normand Veilleux, and Bob Allison (aka Scarecrow) would not like their name removed from their work (at least not without their consent). I've seen more than one post defending Susie Oviatt's work and countless more giving Mike Jittlov the acknowledgement for "Meriday in the Morning". > ? || || ___MMMM___ > ? || || ^(0--0)^ > ? () () *-oOO--(__)--OOo-* > ? || || | oo saha oo | > ? || || |_( )______( )_| > ? () () \ ( | | ) / > ? /|| ||\ ---_--_\_)| |(_/_--_--- (") original by dcau Something simple like this would do. Ascii art is done by us hobbyists and we don't get paid for doing it. The only thing we do get is acknowledgement of what we create, and to keep one's name on a diddled picture does this. So to sum up, if you take someone's artwork to use, even if you diddle it, keep the name of the original artist because it's just a nice thing to do. Looking forward to seeing more new artwork and diddles being posted. Everyone keep up the good work! Daniel -- @@@@88UUI::... @88UUUIII:::.. @::... @@@888UUUIII:::.. @@@888UUUII::.. @@888UUUIII::... @8I:::.. @@@888UUUIII:::.. @@@888UUUIII::.@@@888UUUII:::.. @8UUI:::...@@@888UUUIII:::.. @@@888UUUIII:::@@@888UUUII::... @88UUUI:::..@@@888UUUIII:::.. @@@888UUUIII::.@@@888UUUII:::.. @@888UUII:::.@@@888UUUIII:::.. @@@888UUUII:::. @@888UUUIII:::.@@@888UUIII::::@@888UUUII::... @@@8@8UUI::.. @88UUUIII:::@@@888UUUUIII:::..@88UUI::... dcau@casbah.acns.nwu.edu