X-Google-Thread: 1045ba,8c1a6e4eedb775ab X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ba,public X-Google-Language: POLISH,Latin2 Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.pionier.net.pl!news.man.torun.pl!not-for-mail From: "Eneuel Leszek Ciszewski" Newsgroups: pl.rec.ascii-art Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Re:_A=BF_wreszcie_si=EA_za=B3ama=B3em..._?= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:19:30 +0100 Organization: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Arkedocja-Azalandia_:=29_Budowa_dobrych_stosunk=F3w_z_Elfa?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?mi._:=29?= Lines: 180 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Eneuel Leszek Ciszewski" NNTP-Posting-Host: 165-143.82-139.bia.tkb.net.pl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: flis.man.torun.pl 1133464779 20525 82.139.165.143 (1 Dec 2005 19:19:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@man.torun.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:19:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 /pl.rec.ascii-art: Eneuel C-Koordynaty: N 53�06'48", E 23�08'38", 1992 Arkedocja X-MimeOLE: Moje numery telefonu: 607 635935 i 85 7463797 Xref: g2news1.google.com pl.rec.ascii-art:1014 "Eneuel Leszek Ciszewski" dmn0mv$giu$1@flis.man.torun.pl > Tutaj stosowny ,,precedens'' by�by nawet wskazany: :) > -- Czynienie bezinteresowne dobra, w zamian za kt�re otrzymuje > si� stosowne b�ogos�awie�stwa -- owocem kt�rych s� wymierne > korzy�ci materiane doobroczy�cy. :) Pytanie -- czym jest bezinteresowno��? To jak z galwaniczn� separacj� w kontaktronie? Mo�e chodzi o nieautomagiczne przek�adanie si� b�ogos�awie�stwa na owoce tego� b�ogos�awie�stwa? Czy te� o niekonieczno�� otrzymania b�ogos�awie�stwa w zamian za sw�j czyn_dobroci? A mo�e po prostu to nie jest �adna filantropia czy bezinteresowno��. :) Mo�e po prostu czynimy dobrze, aby wygodnie �y�? :) Nawet je�li -- to przecie� warto �y� w takim �wiecie, gdzie ludzie czyni� dobro, aby �y� szcz�liwiej? :) -- Niekoniecznie dobry_czyn tego rodzaju jest dobry naprawd�. :) (przyk�ad z Al Capone czy jak mu tam, kt�ry karmi� ubogich) -- Niekoniecznie za dobro otrzymujemy dobro, :) wi�c jednak czynimy dobro z pobudek filantropijnych? 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