X-Google-Thread: f996b,62c4c39017079b85 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gid13235db79e,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.68.129.169 with SMTP id nx9mr6445788pbb.2.1333960121416; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Path: r9ni35859pbh.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Arlo James Barnes Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: ASCII swastika, ascii swastikas Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <17891469.1749.1333960121042.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynbv36> References: <7a147c71-bac9-4255-b340-26fe128d32b6@n1g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <1558667c-737c-4b0d-9b6a-ffb24488e54b@b32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <977e838b-0d5f-4300-bd2c-5e7d3c2bcdb1@x7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <0b39fc41-2a60-4870-b85c-8d31765b5636@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <81ff0e50-de54-4514-8714-e5a2d697fc76@32g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.229.162.129 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1333960121 24280 127.0.0.1 (9 Apr 2012 08:28:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 08:28:41 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <81ff0e50-de54-4514-8714-e5a2d697fc76@32g2000yqp.googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=63.229.162.129; posting-account=ObHdhQoAAADPbPSuIsidiH2APqQSrgW0 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This thread is rather amusing. It is almost a Godwin troll, only instead of= using the heinous acts committed during the circa WWII Holocaust to falsel= y bolster an argument, the people involved are arguing over the origin of l= ogos within the government administrating such atrocities. I fail to see ho= w it matters. As to the salute, the US helped inspire many things most people would not n= ow (perhaps carelessly in that regard) attribute to them, such as eugenics,= but I do not know if this is one of them. I suspect they both stem from ge= neric gestures of nationalism. Hitler hated communists; how much you equate communism with socialism is de= pendent on who is using it in what context at what point in history, and al= so on semantics ("is 'social' the same as 'socialist'?" for instance), but = the fact remains that in propaganda and in reality, communists were one of = the major groups oppressed by the policies and actions associated with the = events leading up to and embodying the Holocaust, along with Jews, Roma/Gyp= sies, homosexuals, mentally and physically disabled people, certain intelle= ctuals, and really anyone who was a bit different. Also, the word holocaust can be used for several genocides across history (= to take a random one, the Armenian holocaust by the Turks) but they are not= necessarily aligned with the goals of the (apropos to this discussion, cap= italized) Holocaust, and certainly were not coordinated. They were all done= for reasons pertaining to the oppressor's situation at the time. A similar caveat applies to 'anti-semitic'. Firstly, the term 'Semite' pert= ains to a variety of Arabic peoples in the region of the Eastern Mediterran= ean, but is mostly used to refer to the Jewish portion of these peoples. Th= is is why we can have anti-semitic members of the Saudi family, for instanc= e. But they are not anti-semitic in the same way Hitler was - their hatred = is derived from tribal disputes over land stretching back milennia, and rek= indled with politics between Israel and neighboring states more recently. I= nterestingly, some of them are Holocaust deniers. But now this is completely unrelated to ASCII art. I shall thus refrain fro= m further putting pairs of cents into this crazy slot machine of debate.