X-Google-Thread: f996b,3f7caceaadb9a55c,start X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gid13235db79e,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!198.186.194.249.MISMATCH!transit3.readnews.com!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!panix!qz!not-for-mail From: Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Is that it? Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Some absurd concept Lines: 83 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix5.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1295734787 7381 166.84.1.5 (22 Jan 2011 22:19:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:19:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Liz: It's actually happened, the entire Internet is a massive game of Redcode X-Motto: "Erosion of rights never seems to reverse itself." -- kenny@panix X-US-Congress: Moronic Fucks. X-Attribution: EtB Xref: g2news1.google.com alt.ascii-art:1841 (Originally posted as in alt.hackers, but reposting in alt.ascii-art for AA content.) In alt.hackers, Horn wrote: > jdevries@gate.net wrote: > > Will I be THE LAST person to post to this group???? > No. You are missing your ObHack. So I guess I should add one of my own. Recently I've been rennovating the main bathroom in my house. The last rennovation was some twenty to thirty years ago, done by my father-in-law. Neither of us are plumbers. So the teenager stripped the room down. Took out the vanity, pulled out the old toilet, stripped the floor to the sub-floor. Then he put in new underlayment and tiled and grouted the the room. So far, so good. Then I went to put in the new toilet. There was a problem. This is how the drain is supposed to look: ,-, ,/' _ '\, .' /'D'\ '. +. /NDRAI\ .+ | (NDRAIND) | +' \RAIND/ '+ '. \.N./ .' '\, ~ ./' '-' The two notches on the side are used to slip the bolts in to attach the toilet. The drain on the floor is ninety degree rotated from that. I quized the teenager about how the previous toilet was attached but didn't get any good answer. I'm suspecting it was to the previous underlayment, but I'm not sure. In any case, the new underlayment doesn't extend far enough to use, and the floor is tiled now, so I can't attach stuff to the subfloor or underlayment without pulling out tile. I went to my local hardware store and looked at what they had for this sort of problems. What I found was a plastic "spacer" ring exactly like the shape of the top of the drain pipe, with four mounting holes. Cost is $3.50, so I buy it. Well, it's not big enough to use screws to attach the spacer ring to the floor, so I mark where the spacer holes are on the flange of the cast iron drain pipe. Then I drill those holes out. First I try to glue the spacer down with epoxy through the mounting holes on the spacer and the holes I made in the drain. It seems to work, but as soon as I tighten the nuts on the toilet bolts I feel it pull free. I pull out the toilet, scrape off the wax seal and then the epoxy. Next I try pop rivets, using ones I have on hand. It seems to work, but as soon as I tighten the nuts on the toilet bolts I feel it pull free. I pull out the toilet, scrape off the wax seal and cold chisel out the rivets. The counter-sunk holes in the plastic don't offer enough grip. Back to the hardware store. I need a new wax seal (they run $2 each, but I have no more on hand). I also get a new spacer ring and the largest pop rivets they have (3/8" diameter, maybe 1/2" length). I need to enlarge the holes in the flange to fit these rivets, but that's easy enough. Now I put the rivets in with a washer so they won't pull through the counter-sunk holes and they grip the cast iron very securely. I check by really pulling on the spacer before putting the toilet on. Very solidly attached. Of course, I find out that the cast iron pipe itself has some play, but I'm not about to try to deal with that. Toilet goes in, bolts get tightened. Life moves on. Elijah ------ 3x wax seal ($6), 2x spacer ($7), 1 pack rivets ($3), DIY priceless