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From: Daniel Ruth-Exposed <daniel.ruth.exposed@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: ASCII swastika, ascii swastikas
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:14:12 -0800 (PST)
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On Dec 7, 11:31=A0am, Volker Birk <bum...@dingens.org> wrote:
> Daniel Ruth-Exposed <daniel.ruth.expo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hitler put the symbol on its corner to highlight the S-shapes
> > for his socialism. He also always oriented it in the S-direction,
> > again for his socialism. Your comments are consistent with those
> > points.
>
> Actually, I doubt that. And there are good reasons not to believe. I
> don't know a single symbol Hitler designed for "socialism". As I stated,
> the S rune isn't one.

You know he referred to his group as national socialists and you know
the symbol he used for his national socialists was a Hakenkreuz turned
on its corner and pointed in the S-direction. You can cry about it all
you want but you do know a symbol Hitler designed for socialism. And
for similar alphabetic symbolism cry about the NSV symbol and the SA,
and add that to your SS and VW.


>
> > "Hakenkreuz" is a common German word used for translation of
> > "swastica". However, you as a German native speaker would not dispute
> > that it clearly (even to an English speaker) literally means "hooked
> > cross."
>
> To be correct: it doesn't mean "hooked cross", literally we have to
> translate that to "hook cross", which comes close to "cross of hooks".

You have conceded this point. You are not helping yourself. stop
making yourself look silly. Whatever point you are trying to make is
pointless. You are grasping at straws.

>
> > And you would concede that Hitler did NOT use the work
> >swastika, he used the work hakenkreuz.
>
> Yes, of course. "Hakenkreuz" is the German word for "swastica", and of
> course Hitler (and all other people in Germany up to today) are using
> the word "Hakenkreuz" for any swastica. We are not only using Hakenkreuz
> for the Nazi symbol, but for every kind of swastica, because it's just
> the native German word for that kind of symbol.

Thank you very much again.

>
> >Swastikais a sanskrit word that was deliberately used by people to
> > mislead them about the German symbol, and to distance the German
> > national socialist symbol from the cross (and the religious impact of
> > crosses), by instead defaming a foreign sanskrit term and symbol.
>
> I don't think so. While "swastica" is a Sanscrit word as a matter of
> fact, there is no misleading, because of the identity of the meaning
> of "swastica" and "Hakenkreuz". And swasticas aren't commonly used in
> Christian religion.

Thank you for conceding my points. Swastikas aren't commonly used in
Christian religion, that is my point. Crosses are used. And the word
swastika was substituted deliberately by people who want to distance
the hakenkreuz from the cross. You apparently are another ignorant
victim of what happened. wise up. Oh and don't ever recommend
Wikipedia. It is an anonymous bulletin board.

>
> > The SS runes are not a misunderstanding. No one said they stand for
> > "socialism" (other than that it was part of the government under
> > German national socialism). They're meaning "Schutzstaffel" clearly
> > shows the same type of stylized use of the rune style lettering for a
> > word that has S-letters in them.
>
> That's the next misunderstanding.

Your blabbering about different S letters in German is crude evasion.
You have not disputed the point made. If you want to claim that the SS
symbol is not stylized in a rune style, then just come right out an
state that so that everyone can see you are absurd. And while you are
at it say whatever stupid things you would like to say about the
stylized lettering in the SA and the NSV symbols et cetera.
Geez you said "Runes never were used in German texts AFAIK, beside the
SS rune pair as logo for the Schutzstaffel." So you concede it for the
SS but you want to maintain that the same stylie never ever entered
the mind of anyone else regarding any of their other many symbols.
They never thought of the SS symbol again. That was it. No one ever
even thought that the hakenkreuz kinda sorta looked a teensy bit like
the SS symbol or a rune style crossed. That never crossed anyones
mind.

Guess what? it never crossed YOUR mind. But now it has. sorry to
disabuse you. It definitely crossed other minds.

You are absurd. Stop being idiotic.

>
> > In other words, the VW logo also does not stand for "socialism" (other
> > than it was a car intended to demonstrate German national socialism)
> > yet it again shows two letters in stylized form to represent words.
> > Your comments support the point made in the original post, that the
> > Hakenkreuz was used to represent stylized crossed S-shapes for the
> > socialist party it represented.
>
> And that's a misunderstanding again. The Hakenkreuz for sure has nothing
> to do with the SS runes. It is historically wrong to bring it together
> with socialism in any way. The swastica is just a symbol for fortune,
> which was chosen by Adolf Hitler (who was an artist years before he
> entered politics) for his logo, by modifying it with rotating it by 45=B0=
.
> I think, it's clear that the red background references socialism in the
> Nazi logo, though.

Thank you for admitting that the red references socialism. Thanks for
admitting that the hakenkreuz was the symbol for Hitler's socialism.
Thanks for admitting he turned it 45 degrees. Thanks for admitting he
oriented it in the S-direction. Thanks for admitting that he was an
artist.

Now, again you claim that he never made any mental comparison between
the SS symbol and his tweaking of the hakenkreuz? That thought never
entered his mind, according to you. Guess what? YOU are the only one
who never made any mental comparison. Stop evading something new you
have learned.

>
> >http://rexcurry.net/swastika3swastika.jpg
>
> That's nonsense, sorry. None of these symbols in this picture ever were
> used by the NSDAP. And it's just a misunderstanding to set a rune into a
> text with latin letters.

You are nonsensical. sorry. All of these symbols in this picture were
used by the NSDAP or under it. It is not a misunderstanding to set a
rune into a text with latin letters because it looks like an S, you
ass, and people use similar stylization for the S letter today too,
just as you conceded was done with the SS. You are an idiot.

>
> > Your comments are consistent with, support and even repeat the points
> > made in the work of Dr. Rex Curry.
>
> I don't think so.

I think so.

>
> > The USA's Pledge of Allegiance was also the origin of the Nazi salute
> > adopted later by Adolf Hitler (see the site that archives the work of
> > Dr. Rex Curry).http://rexcurry.net
>
> That's the next incorrect claim. The Nazis used the Roman salute as
> gesture for the "Deutscher Gruss", and they did copy that from the
> Italian partito fascista, who copied it themselves from the Romans.
> The wording "Heil Hitler" is a literal translation of the Roman salute
> "ave caesar" (literally "well-being to you, Caesar"). The German "Heil"
> means "well-being".

You love to repeat propaganda for which you give no citation to
support (because you have none). You are now repeating the "ancient
Roman salute" myth. The German copied it from the USA (via Ernst
Hanfstaengl and other sources) and the Italians copied it from the
USA.

To be honest, I'm getting a bad feeling about the competence of this
Volker Birk (whoever he is).

One thing is certain: Volker Birk has learned a LOT today.