X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII From: metro-golden-meower Newsgroups: misc.creativity,alt.ascii-art,alt.suicide.holiday,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk Subject: Re: my last week has been absolute fucking shite. Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:20:45 +0100 Organization: www.meow.org the home of meow Reply-To: metro-golden-meower@meowdot.org Message-ID: <03ttv4l2rs75uih5b1ihd068dadmd1mmas@4ax.com> References: <433tr4pkpc1q459hdon0gdfqkbe7ec2bm8@4ax.com> <9115cb3b-5cd4-4233-8664-55ff1c922235@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <49E4CA02.401D2D7E@gmail.com> <49E4CF34.304A4091@gmail.com> <49FB0CF3.559FE42B@gmail.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: $$acwcrbingb7m75.news.x-privat.org Lines: 130 X-Authenticated-User: $$eognwm0-x67cww1ngpo75g1rl-we8id8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@x-privat.org Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.kpn.net!pfeed08.wxs.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!feeder.erje.net!x-privat.org!not-for-mail Xref: g2news2.google.com misc.creativity:94 alt.ascii-art:992 alt.suicide.holiday:110184 alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk:74370 On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:53:39 +0000, Veronica Karlsson wrote: >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:00:20 +0000, Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >> >Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >> >> >> metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> > Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >> > >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: >> >> > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what >> >> > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about >> >> > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put >> >> > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i >> >> > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. >> >> > > >> >> > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of >> >> > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. >> >> > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary >> >> > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful >> >> > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have >> >> > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up >> >> > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info >> >> > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. >> >> > >> >> > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying >> >> > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way >> >> > more different to actualy say it in words. >> >> > >> >> > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him >> >> > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. >> >> >> >> It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in >> >> their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends >> >> up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, >> >> so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at >> >> drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. >> >> >> >> The ones who keep drawing are: >> >> >> >> 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like >> >> 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone >> >> until they reach the point where the image on the paper >> >> looks like the ideal >> >> 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal >> >> and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus >> >> judge the image in a very different way than the artist! >> >4. Those who have some other, non-artistic, reason for >> > drawing, such as spreading a message and drawing is >> > just how they choose to do that. >> >5. ? >> > >> >> I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight >> >> years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at >> >> my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is >> >> actually *there*). >> >> >> >> This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so >> >> difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality >> >> is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the >> >> picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or >> >> Not. >> >> >> >> I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably >> >> much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an >> >> ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words >> >> and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match >> >> of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever >> >> about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who >> >> knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) >> > >> >And the social worker only hears what you actually say, and has no idea >> >of what your original thought looked like. He compares you to other >> >people, not to what goes on inside your head. >> >> it takes a lot of effort to deal and talk to people. most of the time i don't bother as i couldn't care less. >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm >> > >> >Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain >> >the Swedish expression "hellre �n bra"...) >> >> i asked and she didn't know how to explain it. sara wasn't sure how to either. >> > >Hmmm... "Rather than good" (not sure how well that works in English) > > >It is something that is said about people who enjoy singing and who sing >a lot even though it sounds terrible. Also, some amateurs who don't >sound terrible at all say that about themselves. i think i know what you mean and don't know how to explain it. -- _ / _ | _| _ _ |\/| _ |_ _ _ \_| (_) | (_| (/ | ) |\/| _ _ _ _ | | (/ \_ | (_) _/ ` | | (/ (_) |/|/ (/ | ` _.--'""""`--._ ` ' ' ` .-' S H P `-. .' J _.--'""`--._ X `. / B .' ._ _. `. U \ _ / R / |\`. .'/| \ R \ _ _ . _ _ |\ | | | |/ |_ J / |_\----/_| \ N L |_ |_) /_\ |\ | / |_ | \| \_/ |\ |_ | Z J .'\|\/\/|/`. L Q | | | \ | | | \| \_ |_ | | |> (.)(.) <| | | | | =====:|__|:===== | | _.--'"\ J J =====::\/::===== F F /"`--._ .--. _.-' _\ \ \ \ \_/\_/ / / / /_ `-._ .--. ( `-| _..' _..._'.' \ `-..'` `. .-' / `.`_..._ `.._ |-' ) |`-.|_.-'.' .-' _) .-'`. `-.______.-' .'`-. 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