X-Google-Thread: 10ca6d,5432856e62432da9 X-Google-Thread: f996b,5432856e62432da9 X-Google-Thread: fa841,92c0fe25b6b47e2a X-Google-Thread: fe9fa,92c0fe25b6b47e2a X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca6d,gidf996b,gidfa841,gidfe9fa,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit From: metro-golden-meower Newsgroups: misc.creativity,alt.ascii-art,alt.suicide.holiday,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk Subject: Re: my last week has been absolute fucking shite. Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:51:46 +0100 Organization: www.meow.org the home of meow Reply-To: metro-golden-meower@meowdot.org Message-ID: References: <433tr4pkpc1q459hdon0gdfqkbe7ec2bm8@4ax.com> <9115cb3b-5cd4-4233-8664-55ff1c922235@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <49E4CA02.401D2D7E@gmail.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: $$acwcrfimgnwo$.news.x-privat.org Lines: 108 X-Authenticated-User: $$eognwm0-x67cww1ngpo75g1rl-we8id8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@x-privat.org Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.kjsl.com!x-privat.org!not-for-mail Xref: g2news1.google.com misc.creativity:86 alt.ascii-art:737 alt.suicide.holiday:91337 alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk:57736 On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:38:10 +0000, Veronica Karlsson wrote: >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >metro-golden-meower wrote: >> >> wrote: >> >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: >> >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say what >> >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. >> >> >> >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry about >> >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. >> >> >> >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put >> >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i >> >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. >> > >> >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of >> >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. >> >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary >> >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful >> >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have >> >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up >> >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info >> >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. >> >> its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying >> in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way >> more different to actualy say it in words. >> >> my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him >> several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. > >It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in >their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends >up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, >so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at >drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. > >The ones who keep drawing are: > >1. those who just don't care what the result looks like >2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone > until they reach the point where the image on the paper > looks like the ideal >3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal > and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus > judge the image in a very different way than the artist! > >I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight >years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at >my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is >actually *there*). > >This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so >difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality >is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the >picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or >Not. > >I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably >much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an >ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words >and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match >of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever >about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who >knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) i think you are right to a degree. i think it is more complex than that though. more often than not i know in my head what i want to say, but when i try and say it in words, no matter how hard i try, it comes nowhere near what i'm thinking and reads like shit. when i type anything it never comes out in a sensible order and i have to edit it and move parts around. so i try and edit it and i get nowhere and it ends up a bigger mess. then i get frustrated and pissed off and end up just junking it and completly give up trying to reply. i just spent several minutes screwing around with this one. it doesn't say what i want, but its as close as i'm going to get in my current mood. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm i shall check that out afte i reboot. atm my browser has crashed and won't run. -- _ / _ | _| _ _ |\/| _ |_ _ _ \_| (_) | (_| (/ | ) |\/| _ _ _ _ | | (/ \_ | (_) _/ ` | | (/ (_) |/|/ (/ | ` _.--'""""`--._ ` ' ' ` .-' S H P `-. .' 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