X-Google-Thread: 10ca6d,5432856e62432da9 X-Google-Thread: f996b,5432856e62432da9 X-Google-Thread: fa841,92c0fe25b6b47e2a X-Google-Attributes: gid10ca6d,gidf996b,gidfa841,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news.acm.uiuc.edu!news.xcski.com!macogoense From: Rebecca Ore Newsgroups: misc.creativity,alt.ascii-art,alt.suicide.holiday,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk Subject: Re: my last week has been absolute fucking shite. Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:13:29 -0400 Organization: Private news server Lines: 89 Message-ID: References: <433tr4pkpc1q459hdon0gdfqkbe7ec2bm8@4ax.com> <9115cb3b-5cd4-4233-8664-55ff1c922235@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <49E4CA02.401D2D7E@gmail.com> <49E4CF34.304A4091@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip70-179-72-13.dc.dc.cox.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: xen1.xcski.com 1239743610 7573 70.179.72.13 (14 Apr 2009 21:13:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xcski.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b2 (Intel Mac OS X) Xref: g2news2.google.com misc.creativity:86 alt.ascii-art:858 alt.suicide.holiday:103851 alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk:69449 In article <49E4CF34.304A4091@gmail.com>, Veronica Karlsson wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > > metro-golden-meower wrote: > > > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > >metro-golden-meower wrote: > > > >> wrote: > > > >> >"metro-golden-meower" wrote: > > > >> >> this all reads like shit because i'm to fucking pissed off to say > > > >> >> what > > > >> >> i want too. fuck adhd. > > > >> > > > >> >You always come through loud and clear despite the adhd. I'm sorry > > > >> >about > > > >> >your meds, it's a bitch trying to get them to fit what you need. > > > >> > > > >> i often just dump posts and replies because what i think i cannot put > > > >> into words. its seriously fucking annoying. i know sometimes what i > > > >> post makes bugger all sence to anyone. > > > > > > > >Your posts make sense. Humans are not computers. We have lots of > > > >redundancy in our languages. Redundancy in this case is a Good Thing. > > > >It means we use more than the minimum amount of information necessary > > > >to get the message across. It's quite possible to have meaningful > > > >conversations with people who can only say one syllable (yes, I have > > > >met such people) as long as you are in the same room and can pick up > > > >on the person's body language. Writn lang also contns lts f xtra info > > > >so dropn a few letrs wont dmage th messge to mch. > > > > > > its not so much fucking up spellings, i find problems actualy saying > > > in words what i want to say. its one thing to think something, its way > > > more different to actualy say it in words. > > > > > > my social worker says i can be very articulate, i explained to him > > > several times it takes a hell of a lot of effort. > > > > It's like when most people try to draw things. They have an image in > > their head of what they want to draw, but the drawing that actually ends > > up on the paper doesn't come anywhere close to the ideal in their head, > > so they get disappointed and say "This picture sucks! I suck at > > drawing!" and then they throw it away and refuse to try again. > > > > The ones who keep drawing are: > > > > 1. those who just don't care what the result looks like > > 2. those who practice, practice, practice when they are alone > > until they reach the point where the image on the paper > > looks like the ideal > > 3. those who realize that other people haven't seen the ideal > > and have only ever seen the picture on the paper, and thus > > judge the image in a very different way than the artist! > 4. Those who have some other, non-artistic, reason for > drawing, such as spreading a message and drawing is > just how they choose to do that. > 5. ? 5. Those who draw to see what happens. > > > I belong in the third category, and I think I must have been about eight > > years old when I figured it out (and made a concious effort to look at > > my own creations as if I hadn't seen the ideal image and only what is > > actually *there*). > > > > This is also one of the things I like about ascii art. Because it's so > > difficult to even get things to look like something, a proof of quality > > is when other people can see *what* it is you meant to draw. Making the > > picture pretty is something you *might* do, some time in the future. Or > > Not. > > > > I suspect your relationship to writing (and not just yours, probably > > much more people than you think) is like that. You have a thought, an > > ideal "image", in your mind, and then you want to express it in words > > and what ends up on paper (or pixels) isn't quite a 100% perfect match > > of that ideal... Add to that a little bit of anxiety/complex/whatever > > about your ability to work with language... (sort of like a painter who > > knows he's both colour blind and has Parkinson's...) > > And the social worker only hears what you actually say, and has no idea > of what your original thought looked like. He compares you to other > people, not to what goes on inside your head. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilert_Pilarm > > Now listening to Best of Elvis with Eilert Pilarm! (Ask Knoxy to explain > the Swedish expression "hellre än bra"...)