X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: f996b,dbcab6da8f3665ab,start X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-Thread: fbf1a,904a202c6eef6dcd X-Google-Attributes: gidfbf1a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-09-19 13:22:42 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:22:37 -0500 From: Russell B Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Ineptness Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:22:38 -0700 Organization: Don't Be An Awkward, Clownish Fellow Message-ID: References: <3f44ed31.6151815@pita.alt.net> <3f4d78ba.21328178@pita.alt.net> <4gvkkv0up414kt5r4ds8h5c44fqdmmiqmu@4ax.com> <3f4b9fef.4903230@pita.alt.net> <3f50fcf6.40975699@pita.alt.net> <3f66fe26.15396208@pita.alt.net> <75qmlv8v8lmvc9j1r13sa822nct969jfs6@4ax.com> <3f63b08b.27787145@pita.alt.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 1607 X-Trace: sv3-zv2C1vfO8ciZ0C6upF9tm7JRcvuw9jpVyCm/wc3zw1QtJQrpLwIJdiMIGfdYQUDo57O4lCpCQlDCmR6!9E6sRs5yatt1LRm8zN93d5Nop1yzDuwfWG5H20bujAjt7yky+pEV27IIfOW5m0AVOCPG+8E= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.flame:195495 alt.ascii-art:24932 Despite all his or her rage, skippy@hell-flame-wars.net (Skippy) is still just a rat in a cage: >Russell B wrote: >>skippy@hell-flame-wars.net (Skippy) is still just a rat in a cage: Right out of the gate, Dimmy has stunned the reading audience, and doubtless moistened the panties of at least one of the two pretty girls who read alt.flame, by deleting, without a marker or any comment, a large block of text. I've restored it: || >>|| || I understood your sad little point at the time, you fucking momo. I even || >>|| || said so: || >>|| || || >>|| || || [1] And you can spare me your frantic insistence that I didn't get your sad || >>|| || || little "point." Believe it or not, Timmy, most people don't need you || >>|| || || to tell them that the real thing is preferable to a reproduction of it. || >>|| || || Everybody knows that, e.g., having sex with a real woman is better than || >>|| || || watching a film about it. [2] ^ || >>|| || || /|\ || >>|| || || [2] Well, everybody but *you*. Ha ha! Ba-BOOM! ZZZINNNNG! | || >>|| | || >>|| So much for your last-ditch wheedling about my supposedly having missed your | || >>|| sad little point, eh, Dims? +-----------------+ | >>>>Eh, Dimmy? I got it at the time, didn't I? | >>> | >>>So you say | >>I got it at the time, didn't I? | > | >So you say... | | So I've demonstrated, by posting a quote from an article in which I | explicitly restate your sad little point. ----------------------------+ When I say that all of your last-ditch wheedling about my allegedly having missed your sad little "point" was for naught, I mean that *all* of your last-ditch wheedling about my allegedly having missed your sad little "point" was *for naught*. >>>, yet the argument over your statement still persists. >> >>And it will continue to persist as long as you think you have even the >>slightest chance of convincing anybody, anywhere, that you didn't make a >>little booboo when you accused Stain of listening to classical music over >>longwave. > >Stop being a fucking moron, Russell. There was no accusation. There >was a hypothetical situation. That can in no way be construed as an >accusation, unless you're a mindless gibbering twat desperately >clutching at straws of course. "Hypothetically, you have low standards." Yeah, that works. No accusation there. I totally buy that not-at-all ridiculous or implausible claim. Well, I guess that settles it. Thread over. Heh heh. >>>"There are no music broadcasts of any sort on longwave in North >>>America, you fucking momo." >>> >>> >>>How does that in any way contradict anything in: >>> >>>"You enjoy your classical music on long wave." >>><3deb0372.10334910@news.altopia.net> >> >>It contradicts it in that there is no classical music on longwave for Stain, >>who lives in Southern California, to hear. At all. Ever. Now then, Dimmy. This--this space here, where I'm typing--was where you were supposed to refute what I just said somehow. Instead, you've given me this: >"To hear music on longwave from Southern California, Stain would have >to use a large loop or longwire antenna and a sensitive receiver. He >would have to search the longwave band late at night during certain >times of the year when longwave DXing is possible." > > >"You're not intending to try and flee this argument by stating its >possible for Stain to listen to music other than classical over >longwave in San Diego, are you? If so, I'm going to have to claim >spank and laugh at you a lot." ><3f66fe26.15396208@pita.alt.net> ...which does nothing of the sort. Those quotes don't even begin to suggest the lack of a contradiction. Is it too much to ask that you actually offer me some resistance here? >Do I have to claim spank and laugh at you? It might be worth a try. Then you'd have an excuse to drop the thread, wouldn't you? None of our tens of readers would believe you for a nanosecond, but that didn't stop you when you dropped the original thread (Skinned knees, Dimmy? Chafed little thighs? A searing feeling in your stunted lungs? Mummy's soft voice like a pillow at the end of the long run home?), did it? Or the one after that, or the one after that? >>>Put another way, >> >>You're not putting it another way at all. The question that follows--the >>same question that you've been pasting into your articles for weeks now--is >>a remarkably stupid one, based upon a false premise. > >"The question is perfectly valid. Since you've dug yourself into this >hole I'm not surprised you won't answer it. There really is no correct >answer for you. You'll just have to have to keep denying its a valid >question while <3deb0372.10334910@news.altopia.net> shows otherwise." ><3f66fe26.15396208@pita.alt.net> > >Keep running. Keep asking a remarkably stupid question, based upon a false premise, and keep making the transparently false claim that I haven't answered it. This will significantly improve your chances of coming out on top of this debate, and will quite possibly get you laid as well. You might also continue to snip huge blocks of text from these articles rather than address them, which will not in any way make you appear to be a sniveling, shirtsleeve-sucking pussyboy. I've restored one of those huge blocks of text here: || > why am I a "fucking momo" for suggesting that Stain || >*can* listen to music over longwave, but it will || || be || || > of such a terrible || >quality it won't be worth listening to? || > || >You singularly failed to answer that question a number of times. || || I've done no such thing. Pointing out that it is based upon a false premise || is sufficient to answer your remarkably stupid question, and I've already || done that. ...as a matter of fact, I've done it more than once. A question based upon a false premise is satisfactorily answered when the false premise is pointed out. You understand that now, don't you, Dims? || I even told you, almost Three Fucking Weeks ago, in message || <6300kv8u4vrc42jq0s1ravav32ha34qnt3@4ax.com>, what the false premise was: || || || >>It's based on a false--and remarkably stupid--premise, you fucking momo. || || > || || >The premise is? || || || || That I called you "a 'fucking momo' for suggesting that Stain *can* listen || || to music over longwave, but it will [be] of such a terrible quality it won't || || be worth listening to," you remarkably stupid fucking momo. See, Dims? See there? That's where I showed you that the premise to your remarkably stupid question was a false one. Then, because you didn't quite understand it the first time, I threw your false premise into sharper relief by contrasting it with what actually happened: || ...whereas in fact, I called you a fucking momo for suggesting that Stain || *does* listen to *classical music* over longwave ...again. See, I had done it once before: || , as I explained in message || : >>|| I flamed you for suggesting that a San Diego resident *does* (not "can," >>|| dumbfuck) listen to *classical music* (not just "music," dumbfuck) over >>|| longwave. ...but apparently, it hadn't stuck. That's why I did it again. >>Indeed, the fact that a San Diego resident, even if he owned a receiver >>capable of tuning in longwave (most radios sold in the US don't), would have >>to go to heroic measures to hear any music there at all, and that the music >>he might finally hear wouldn't be classical music anyway, is something that >>*I* pointed out to *you*. > >Post proof that musical longwave programming that can be heard in San >Diego contains no classical music. You know, Dimmy, I'm just charmed enough by the artlessness of this escape ploy ("I'll demand that he prove a negative. When he refuses, I'll quickly claim victory and make my triumphant retreat! THEN I'll finally get started on that low-carb diet and send away for the "How To Pull The Birds" manual from the back pages of Max Power magazine!") that I'm willing to indulge you. What I'll do is, I'll set one of my communications receivers to search between 153 and 279 kHz (in 9 kHz steps, which is the standard spacing for longwave broadcast stations) while hooked up to a loop antenna. While making my visits to the land of Usenet, I shall leave this receiver running, and in the unlikely event I should pick up any broadcast stations at all, I shall let you know whether they were broadcasting classical music. I live near enough to San Diego as makes no difference in terms of longwave reception. Sound good? Some more text was made to go bye-bye here. I've restored it: || Only later did you make a desperate, || straw-clutching effort to claim that *I* must have been flaming *you* for || saying it. || || Now, then. I've told you twice exactly why the premise to your remarkably || stupid question is a false one. Will it penetrate your thickly fortified || blubber/brain barrier this time around, or will the third time have to be || the charm? Perhaps the fourth, then? Do you understand now why the premise to your remarkably stupid question was a false one? Or do you, maybe, wish to try to demonstrate that it's not a false premise at all? Are you going to take a fucking swing at me at some point, here? || >Well? || || Well, what? That's what I thought. >>>>>>>>You suggested that Stain listened to classical music on longwave because you >>>>>>>>thought that longwave was used in the US the way it's used in the UK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I've got news for you: No one listens to music on longwave in the UK >>>>>>>because the quality is shite. >>>>> >>>>>So I guess you don't wish to contend your point that a majority of >>>>>people listen to music over longwave in the UK? >>>> >>>>I would have to make such a point before I could "contend" it, you fucking >>>>momo. I've made no such point. >>> >>>"I'm pointing out your dumb assumption that everybody listens to the >>>radio the way you do in the UK." >>> >>> >>>What is your understanding of how people in the UK listen to music >> ^^^^^^^^ >>Where did this come from, O rapidly-spinning one? Well? The answer "right out of Dimmy's fat, pockmarked ass" springs unbidden to mind, of course, but perhaps you'd be nice enough to confirm it? >See your message ID I see it. In that message, I referred to your dumb assumption about how people listen to *the radio* in the UK. Where on Earth did you get "listen to music" from, you fucking momo? >, moron? > >>I said "listens to the radio," not "listens to music over the radio." > >Our discussion of longwave is singularly fixated on the broadcast and >reception of *music* over longwave. Am I to believe that right in the >middle of a discussion of *musical programming* you suddenly refer to >non-musical programming without even a mention of your deviation? No. On the contrary, I've made a point of drawing attention to the difference between *listening to the radio* and *listening to music on the radio*, even though it bears little upon the main subject under dispute. In fact, I'm doing it now. As a member of the Three-Digit IQ Club might have been able to surmise without needing it explained to him, there's a reason I'm doing this: > This >is a pretty hideous attempt at a backpedal, isn't it Russell? No. It's another successful attempt on my part to highlight your sloppy "thinking," and the sloppy arguments that result from it. Cha-ching. Speaking of your sloppy thinking and sloppy arguments, a great whopping block of text containing ample evidence of both has been made to go bye-bye. I've restored it: || >over the radio, Russell? || || People in the UK listen to domestic broadcast radio on three frequency || bands--one longwave, one medium wave, and one VHF. Your dumb || assumption--the one you've been trying to chickendance away from for Nine || Fucking Months now--was that people in the US do the same. As you were to || learn to your dismay (why? over such a trivial error, Dimmy?), we in the US || only have two bands for that. Tsk, tsk. You go to all the trouble of asking me a question, and as soon as I answer it you delete the whole thing. Did you not want to discuss the difference between domestic broadcast radio in the US and the UK after all, then? || > Did you just assume that because longwave || >isn't as restricted in Europe as the US, || || "Isn't as restricted"? Aren't you getting dizzy from all that || high-speed whirling about, Dimmy? "Isn't as restricted"! Bweeeeeeehahahahahaha! Hee hee! || That's not even *true*, you fucking momo--not that it would help your case || if it were. Longwave, like any slice of the radio spectrum, is just as || restricted over there as it is over here. What, no indignant rebuttal? No deft parry? No punishing counterattack? No idiotic non-sequitur? No lengthy cut-and-paste from another article on a completely different subject? No fucking NOTHING? You disappoint me, Dimmy. Am I right or am I wrong about restrictions on longwave in Europe? || The only difference is that the || governments over there have set aside a longwave band for broadcasting (as || distinct from non-broadcast use such as amateur, radionavigation, distress || etc.); and the US, Canadian, and Mexican governments have not. || || Anyhoo. Longwave, as you know, is used as a broadcast medium in the UK and || Europe; programs intended for reception by the general public are || transmitted from high-powered sites throughout the UK and the Continent on || frequencies between 153 and 279 kHz. Longwave is not--as you are now || acutely aware, you fucking momo--used for any such purpose in the United || States. No music or entertainment programming is broadcast on those || frequencies from anywhere within these borders, or from anywhere near them. Are you getting that last part loud and clear, you fucking momo? Or from *anywhere near them*. How's the Cuba research coming along? || > we all listen to music over || >longwave? What a silly assumption to make. || || It would be, had I made it. Of course, I've never made any assumption, nor || have I said anything that a sane person could construe as indicating that I || had made it. No flailing counterpunch? No petulant denial? Heh heh? And *that's* where sloppy "thinking" gets you, Dims. Because you couldn't or wouldn't wrap your mind around the difference between listening to music (on the radio) and listening to the radio, you ended up attributing things to me that I never said. Cha-ching. || >>>>>And I *never* suggested Stain listened to music on longwave. || >>>> || >>>>You certainly did, you fucking momo. || >>> || >>>No, I didn't. || >> || >>You most certainly did, you furiously spin-controlling fucking momo. || > || >No I didn't. || || You most assuredly did, you maladroitly fibbing fucking momo. Erm, you *do* know the difference between suggesting *that (somebody) listens* to something, and suggesting *that (somebody) listen* to something, don't you? You understand that one is declarative and the other subjunctive, don't you? This next bit strongly suggests that you don't: || > I would never suggest to anyone that they listen to any || >kind of music over longwave. || || That's not what I accused you of, you fucking momo. I accused you of || suggesting *that Stain listens* to classical music over longwave. *That Stain listens*. Or *listened*, if you prefer. Not *that Stain listen*, dumbfuck. || Imagine, if you will, two lower-class English fuckheads who have just || accidentally butted heads during a riot after a football match, and are now || sitting down to recover. As they sit there, they strike up a conversation || about how they like to spend their leisure time. || || FUCKHEAD #1: So, Bill, what do you do for fun at the weekend? || || FUCKHEAD #2: Weekend? Well, Arthur, I usually like to pop round to the Meat || and Whistle for a pint. Yep, that's what I like to do. || || FUCKHEAD #1: The Meat and Whistle? What sort of wanker wastes his time at a || fucking dump like that? Ah, but the Lashing Bar--now *there's* || a proper pub. || || FUCKHEAD #2: You say what you will, Billy, but it's the Meat and Whistle for || me. Been going there all me life, I have, and I 'spect I'll || carry on going there for the rest of me life. No reason not || to, innit? || || FUCKHEAD #1: Right, well, you enjoy your watered down lager in filthy || glasses. I'll be round at the Lashing Bar, where they know how || to serve a bloody drink. || || Now then, Dimmy. Is fuckhead #1 recommending that fuckhead #2 drink cheap || beer in unwashed glasses? Or is he accusing him of it? Well? >>> The quality is far, far superior on FM. >> >>Which is where he probably listens to it. Of course, you didn't compare the >>quality of music over longwave to that of music over VHF-FM, did you? You >>compared it to music in a concert hall. > >And why would I, knowing that music broadcasts over FM are of a >superior quality and much more freely available than those over >longwave, then hypothesise that Stain's music was listened to over >longwave and mine in a concert hall if not to accentuate the >difference in quality? I got your sad little point at the time, Dimmy, as I've amply demonstrated. Longwave broadcasts in the UK and Europe are limited in sound quality by the narrow bandwidth amplitude modulation that they are forced to use. That's why they don't sound anywhere near as good as music in a concert hall, and *that's* the difference in quality that you meant to accentuate. You certainly didn't mean to highlight the difference between music in a concert hall and music barely plucked out of the ether by a radio hobbyist using a giant loop antenna pointed at Tajikistan--because at the time you made the post, you had no idea that those are the only people in the US who even own longwave radios. > Well? Well, what? >>>>Tell me, Timmy. Which hurts more: that you have to lie about what you meant >>>>when you made your inept attempt to flame Maxfield for the way he listens to >>>>music, or that you haven't a chance in hell of getting anybody to believe >>>>your wretched little fib? >>> >>>Just because you're too stupid to get the point in my original follow >>>up to Stain doesn't mean everyone else is. >> >>I got the sad little point of your followup at the time, as I've amply >>demonstrated. It wasn't the *point* of your followup for which I >>flamed you, you fucking momo. > >Now we're getting to it. Oh, splendid! It's about time "we" got to it. I've only been telling "us" for Nine Fucking Months that the mistake for which I was flaming "us" was a trivial one. Now, let's see just how close "we" are to getting it: > I'm a "fucking momo" because you stupidly >misinterpreted my initial statement. Ah. Not very close, it turns out. Well, let's give it another shot, shall we? 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This just PROVES you | \(_.` .`| : : | `-.____.'| | know NOTHING about lotteries! | |'.____.-` | : : | | \______________________________/ | | : : | | | | : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : * Tubey * * Argyle * : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : .- - - - - - - - - - - - - . : : | alt.flame Puppet Theater | : : . - - - - - - - - - - - - -. : : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : : ._ _. ._ _. : : | \ / | | \ / | : : | _>----'. | | _>----'. | : : |(#) ____(#) (#)____ (#)| : : / .-"\ /`.| /.`\ /"-. | : : |.' `' \ | '` '.| : : /_____.-----' '-----._____\ : : \ \ \ \ / / / / : : |`. `._)/ \(_.` .`| : : | `-.____.'| |'.____.-` | : : | | | | : : | | | | : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : * Tubey * * Argyle * : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : .- - - - - - - - - - - - - . : : | alt.flame Puppet Theater | : : . - - - - - - - - - - - - -. : : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : : ._ _. ._ _. : : | \ / | | \ / | : : | _>----'. | | _>----'. | : : |(#) ____(#) (#)____ (#)| : : / .-"\ /`.| /.`\ /"-. | : : |.' `' \ | '` '.| : : /_____.-----' '-----._____\ : : \ \ \ \ / / / / : : |`. `._)/ \(_.` .`| : : | `-.____.'| |'.____.-` | : : | | | | : : | | | | : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : * Tubey * * Argyle * : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : .- - - - - - - - - - - - - . : : | alt.flame Puppet Theater | : : . - - - - - - - - - - - - -. : : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : : ._ _. ._ _. : : | \ / | | \ / | : : | _>----'. | | _>----'. | : : |(#) ____(#) (#)____ (#)| : : / .-"\ /`.| /.`\ /"-. | : : |.' `' \ | '` '.| : : /_____.-----' '-----._____\ : : \ \ \ \ / / / / : : |`. `._)/ \(_.` .`| : : | `-.____.'| |'.____.-` | : : | | | | : : | | | | : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : * Tubey * * Argyle * : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : .- - - - - - - - - - - - - . : : | alt.flame Puppet Theater | : : . - - - - - - - - - - - - -. : : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : : ._ _. .----------------------------. ._ _. : : | \ / | / \ | \ / | : : | _>----'. | | You're a fucking idiot, Argyle.| | _>----'. | : : |(#) ____(#) | | (#)____ (#)| : : / .-"\ /`.| \ ____________________________/ /.`\ /"-. | : : |.' `' \ /.' | '` '.| : : /_____.-----' /' .----------------------------. ;/ '-----._____\ : : \ \ \ \ / `/ / / / / : : |`. `._)/ | Uhmmmm, I've wet myself. | \(_.` .`| : : | `-.____.'| | | |'.____.-` | : : | | \______________________________/ | | : : | | | | : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : * Tubey * * Argyle * : :------------------------------------------------------------------------: : .- - - - - - - - - - - - - . : : | alt.flame Puppet Theater | : : . - - - - - - - - - - - - -. : : : +-*--~--*--~--*----*--~--*--~--*----*--~--*--~--*----*--~--*--~--*--~--*-+ | | | | * * | | | | * 88888888888 888 * | 888 888 | | 888 88888b. .d88b. | * 888 888 "88b d8p Y8b * | 888 888 888 88888888 | | 888 888 888 Y8b. | * 888 888 888 "Y8888 * | | | 8888888888 888 | * 888 888 * | 888 888 | | 8888888 88888b. .d88888 | * 888 888 "88b d88" 888 * | 888 888 888 888 888 | | 888 888 888 Y88b 888 | * 8888888888 888 888 "Y88888 * | | | | * * | Produced by............................Russell B | | Written by.............................Russell B | * "Tubey" Illustration................Veronica Karlsson * | "Argyle" Illustration...............Veronica Karlsson | | and | * Russell B * | | | Based Upon The BBC Longwave TV Puppet | * Show Series "Thorne & Thorne" �1973 * | | | All Rights Reserved | * * | | | | +-*--~--*--~--*----*--~--*--~--*----*--~--*--~--*----*--~--*--~--*--~--*-+ > Way to go Russell. This has taken >*months* to drag out of you. As a matter of fact, I explained it to you Nine Fucking Months ago. Admittedly, without the puppets. You made some more text go bye-bye here. I've restored it. || >>> The scenario contradicts itself. || >> || >>It does no such thing, you fucking momo. If it did, you wouldn't have || >>attempted to place Stain in it. || > || >Just because you're too stupid to see the scenario contradicts itself || || It does no such thing, you preternaturally stupid fucking momo, any more || than does the scenario in which Fuckhead #2 enjoys himself at the Meat and || Whistle pub despite Fuckhead #1's disdain for it. ...or does it? Eh? C'mon, then. Quit staring at your fucking shoes and have a go. If you really think that the either scenario contradicts itself, explain why. || >>>because the medium does not lend itself | || >>>to the task. You had a good whine about deleted text, but its still | || >>>blatantly obvious you didn't get the original point. | || >> | || >>I made it "blatantly obvious" that I got the original point a long time|ago. || >>Oddly enough, you keep snipping my references to it. | || > | || >Your last paragraph says different: | || | || It does nothing of the sort, you extraordinarily thick fucking momo. | ...or does it, you shuffling little shirker? Come on, boy. Explain how a paragraph in which I assert that you accused Stain of having low standards in musical reproduction says anything *other* than that I got your sad little point...about low standards in musical reproduction. || The paragraph in question concerned having a lack of standards in one's | || choice of a medium through which to enjoy music... | >>>"which is precisely what you were clumsily accusing Stain of" | >>> | >> | >>But as I told you above--and as you ought to have discerned, even as | >>stupid as you are, when I indicated Nine Fucking Months ago that I | >>understood your sad little point perfectly well--I wasn't flaming you | >>for the *point* of your article. | > >I give you permission to flame me for the weather in Washington State >and the poor rice crop in China. I give you permission to flame me, period. >>>>>Stain said he listens to music on the radio. No more, no less. +-------+ >>>> | >>>>Stain said that he listens to *classical* music on the radio. You're | >>>>incapable of telling the truth even when it doesn't affect your | >>>>shambling excuse for an argument, aren't you? ^ | >>> /|\ | >>>You're reaching, very badly. +----------------+ | >> | | >>How so? | | Well? | | >> I said right there -------+ that it doesn't affect your | >>argument. That you managed to make yet another dumb, trivial error | >>while being mocked for your refusal to admit making dumb, trivial errors | >>was merely a bit deliciousness that I couldn't resist pointing out. | > >So, I'm no longer lying any more. I've just made an "error" which >you'd originally labeled a lie, but now you've decided it wasn't a lie >and you made a false assumption in the first instance? No. I never called your misstatement of the truth a lie. Do you even know the difference, you fucking momo? Were you aware that there was one? >>> Whether it was classical music or a | >>>Sherpa playing the Tibetan bottom flute its still music. | >> | >>Then I guess Stain didn't say that "he listens to music on the radio. No | >>more, no less," did he, you fucking momo? | Well? >Now many straws do think you are left clutching, Russell? If you're going to use straws as a metaphor, I think it's safe to say that I'm the owner of a large, well-equipped barnyard, and that I'm currently enjoying a nice chicken dinner indoors without actually clutching at any straws at all. Why do you ask? You're not by any chance engaging in a ludicrous display of bravado, are you? I do hope not. I hate it when my dinner engages in ludicrous displays of bravado. >>>You're not intending to try and flee this argument by stating its | >>>possible for Stain to listen to music other than classical over | >>>longwave in San Diego, are you? | >> | >>No. > >Well maybe you'll just try and bore me to death by restating that its >possible for Stain to listen to music other than classical over >longwave in San Diego? No. > Maybe even some proof of what you state would >be forthcoming? Nah, I didn't think so. Then why ask? You're the one who keeps blathering on about how I must be planning to mention it. Have I mentioned it yet? How about now? Now? How about now? >>Why on earth would I try "and" flee an argument that I haven't got | >>any chance at all of losing? | Well? >I'm sure if you had the ability to post concise articles leaving me >with no room to manoeuver, you'd do it. Why? I'm perfectly happy to post long, sprawling articles in which you have no room to maneuver. > You just want to drag it out >as long as possible because you know I won't beat you in the word >count. You won't beat me in any way, you deluded little twat. > You're hoping this combined with the avoidance of the subject >will see you through. "Avoidance of the subject" he said, while sharpening his snipping scissors. You've just killed a kitten, Tim. > Did it not occur to you that after 9 months your >plan has gone somewhat awry? __________________________________________________ | | | MY PLAN FOR FLAMING TIM "DIMMY" THORNE: | | | | 1. Point out some of Dimmy's stupid cockups. | | 2. Wait for him to make some more. | | 3. Point those out. | | 4. Go to 2. | |__________________________________________________| >>>>As I demonstrated in the block of text above (the one that you keep | >>>>snipping), I got it at the time. | >>> ^ | >>>Liar: /|\ | >>> +-----------------------------------------------+ >>>"which is precisely what you were clumsily accusing Stain of" >>> >> >>See above, where I point out what would have been obvious to a marginally >>less stupid lower-class English fuckhead re: the difference between your sad >>little point, and the technical error you made while making it. > >There was no technical error. There certainly was a technical error, you hopelessly insecure fucking momo. >The quality of music broadcasts received >over longwave is shite compared to other mediums. That was part of my >initial premise and it still hasn't changed. As I've amply demonstrated, I got your sad little point at the time. It doesn't negate your technical error, though. >>>>Unfortunately for you, you used the wrong slice of radio spectrum for >>>>your dumb little analogy. I caught you at it, and you've been doing a >>>>hot, sweaty chickendance of denial ever since. >>> >>>This all stemmed from your silly assumption that the majority of >>>people listen to classical music over longwave in the UK, Russell. >> >>Not my assumption, silly or otherwise, you fucking momo. Although you're >>certainly welcome to show me where I said, or even suggested, that it was. > >While discussing the reception of music over longwave you said this: > >"I'm pointing out your dumb assumption that everybody listens to the >radio the way you do in the UK." > And nowhere in there do I say, or suggest, anything about how the majority, or any, of the people in the UK listen to classical music, or any music, on the radio. In other words: not my assumption, silly or otherwise, you fucking momo. You made another block of text go bye-bye here (just curious: did you feel particularly masculine while doing this?). I've restored it. || >>>>>Stain listening to music over longwave is a figment of your /|\ || >>>>>imagination. | || >>>> | || >>>>My imagination, eh? But...how on earth did I manage to make *you*|type it? || >>> | || >>>"You enjoy your classical music over longwave." +-----+ || >>> | || >>>Tell me, Russell. How do you enjoy music over longwave? | || >> | || >>Do you mean, how does *one* enjoy music over longwave? Well, if one is | || >>inclined to enjoy such things and lives within range of such a broadcast, | || >>one turns on the radio and listens. | || > | || >Why would one listen to music over longwave when the same music | || >broadcast over FM is so much better? | || || | || For the second time, you fucking momo: if one's standards are low enough, || one couldn't care less. Or if one is out of range of an FM station (as you || would know if you knew the first fucking thing about radio, VHF propagation || is pretty much line-of-sight), one listens to what one can. Or if one lacks || an FM broadcaster catering to his musical tastes...or if one prefers the || Bach on 153 kHz to the Mozart on 88.9 MHz...or if one hasn't got an FM radio || handy, or prefers not to use one... Well, then. Once again, you've gone to the trouble of asking me a question, only to apply your Manly Delete Key Of Leonine Bravery to the answer. Tell me, Dimmy, do you disagree with anything I said up there? If so, would you care to...oh, you know...rebut it? || >>|| And what the hell could I have been thinking when, two days later, I forced || >>|| you to type the following: || >>|| || >>|| || There's plenty of music that can be listened to on long wave in the || >>|| || US, you fucking dodo. || >>|| || >>|| ...in what appears to be a desperate attempt to defend the notion that || >>|| people in the US listen to music on longwave? || >> >>>>Well? What was that all about, eh? Looks to me like you *did* think that >>>>folks go walking around downtown Escondido clutching portable longwave >>>>receivers. Do you have a better explanation? >>> >>>Yes, you're a fuckwit who makes silly assumptions. >> >>Congratulations, Dims. Your non-response has bought you a very small window >>of time within which to come up with a better explanation for your >>"oh-but-there's-oodles-of-music-on-longwave-over-there" line of defense than >>the one that all the available evidence points to. > >I agreed ages ago there wasn't as much longwave to listen to in NA as >there was in Europe. Do try and keep up, slothboy. I was *there*, Dimmy. Believe me, I vividly remember your capitulation on the "plenty of music on longwave in the US" issue. The question that you keep avoiding, and that you hoped to carry on avoiding with your latest non-response, is this: Do you have a better explanation for your having used this line of defense in the beginning than that you thought (at the time) that longwave in the US was filled with strong, low-fi music broadcasts, as it is in the UK? If so, what is it? >>Now, get typing. I doubt that our tens of readers will let it slide if you >>dodge the question a second time. > >I think they've probably nodded off by now. Why mince words? You fucking well *hope* that nobody is reading this, and for good reason. Will you dodge the question a third time? You made yet another block of text go bye-bye here. I've restored it. || >>|| And after I corrected myself (that is to say, you) by pointing out that || >>|| there is very little music that can be heard in the US on longwave, and none || >>|| that can be heard easily, what the fuck possessed me to give you the psychic || >>|| order to type this: || >>|| || >>|| || I'm sure the thousands of people around the globe that listen to the || >>|| || BBC World Service will disagree with you. || >>|| || >>|| ...in response, when all it did was to make it much, much harder to claim || >>|| later on (that is to say, now) that you REALLY, REALLY DIDN'T mean that || >>|| people in the US listen to music on longwave, REALLY you REALLY REALLY || >>|| DIDN'T? || >> || >>Well? What was *that* all about, eh, Dimmy boy? You never did say. || || Well? What was *that* all about, eh, Dimmy boy? You still seem remarkably || reluctant to say. Well? What was *that* all about, eh, Dimmy boy? I've given you Three Fucking Chances to explain yourself, and still you shy away. || About what, precisely, were those thousands going to || disagree with me? The "plenty" of music that you still claimed could be || heard on longwave in the US, or something else? Well? You said it right after I pointed out how weak any broadcast signal on longwave would be by the time it reached San Diego. Were they going to disagree with me about that, perhaps? >>>I really don't think my claim that thousands of people out of the >>>billions on this planet listen to the World Service over longwave is >>>too far out. But apparently you do. Yes I know its mostly FM and >>>medium wave, but they still broadcast over longwave in places. But of >>>course you knew this, right? >> >>You do mean *shortwave*, don't you? Or do you have a list of these "places" >>where the BBC World Service broadcasts over longwave? > >No, I really, really, really mean longwave. UK, Ireland, Netherlands, >Belgium and Luxembourg that I know of without having to do any >research. Try actually doing the fucking research. You're not by any chance talking about the coverage claimed by *one* BBC longwave site in the UK, are you? > I think Denmark and Norway can pick it up too. "It"? That doesn't sound like "places" to me, Dim. > There will >likely be a couple of other countries broadcasting the world service >over longwave too. Its perfectly conceivable a few thousand people >listen to it given the population densities in the countries so far >mentioned. It's more than conceivable; it's downright likely. By the way, are you aware that you've just gone to an extraordinary amount of effort to defend a statement that you didn't originally make? In <3de6f13e.15227505@news.altopia.net>, you referred to the thousands of people who listen to the BBC World Service. Period. Not the BBC World Service on longwave; just the BBC World Service. See what I mean about sloppy thinking, cud-chewer? || Are any of them close to North America, by any chance? I only ask because || it was the listeners in these "places," after all, who were going to rise up || as one man and disagree with me about *something*... Well? || >>>>>I was entirely right. It is possible to listen to music on longwave in || >>>>>the US, but no one does so because the quality is shite. || >>>> || >>>>Oddly enough, that's exactly what I pointed out on November 26 in || >>>>: || >>> || >>>Oddly enough, that was my premise in starting these threads. || >> || >>It most certainly wasn't. || > || >What the fuck do you know anyhow? You thought it was an attack on || >Stain's technical prowess. || || I thought no such thing, you fucking momo. As I pointed out at the time, || and as I've mentioned again and again ever since, I got your sad little || point (that music in a concert hall is preferable to music over the radio) || when you made it. I can't have gotten your point *and* thought that it had || to do with Stain's "technical prowess." It had to be one or the other; and || I've shown you which one it was. ...haven't I? You're free to disagree with me here. In fact, this being alt.flame and all, you might even consider doing so in a heated manner. Or not. Does this mean you've conceded the point? >>>That's the first time I've heard you mention that in eight months. Odd >>>it should come up after all this time, eh? Some would say this is the >>>beginning of a backpedal. Only time will tell... >> >>The beginning of a backpedal from which position to which? Well? You know what a backpedal is, don't you? It entails retreating from one's earlier position while claiming that it was never one's position at all. What position am I pulling back from? >> What exactly do >>you think I'm trying to retreat from, Dimmy? > >The forthcoming spank. It'd be a bit like Churchill, Truman and Stalin retreating from VE Day, wouldn't it? >>>>You would very desperately like it to have been, but wishing cannot >>>>make it so. Failing that, you would very desperately like to be able >>>>to make our tens of readers believe--against all available >>>>evidence--that it was your premise; >>> >>>People who read <3deb0372.10334910@news.altopia.net> are under no >>>illusions that my premise was the quality of live music is poor >>>compared to that of radio. >> >>What the fuck are you babbling about, imbecile? Who said that your premise >>was that "the quality of live music is poor compared to that of radio"? Well? >Thank you for spotting the deliberate typo, you desperate knob. You're welcome. After you pick yourself up from the ground onto which you deliberately tripped, shall we go to the laundromat and wash out the blood and sidewalk dirt that you deliberately ground into your shirt when you hit the pavement? >>>Just because you're too stupid to get the point doesn't mean everyone >>>else is. > >Tell me about your knowledge of longwave musical programming, Russell. There isn't any in the US, Dim. >>>>but likewise, wishing cannot obliterate your early attempts to defend >>>>your little booboo on the grounds that there's "plenty" of music to be >>>>heard on longwave in the US, >>> >>>Well people can listen to *some* music over longwave in the US. That >>>much is undeniable. I think Floridians can still pick up longwave out >>>of Cuba. I'd have to do some research. >> >>You'd have to be *able* to do research, you fucking buffoon, which >>presupposes the capacity to read critically and to learn. Do you find radio >>navigation beacons particularly musical? Well? I only ask because claiming that you do is the only way you'd have an outside chance of using Cuba against me in this discussion. >I'm sure you find logging them rather interesting, you sad twat. I'd have to be able to hear them first, wouldn't I? What do your BBC listeners have to say about that? >>>>and that "thousands" of BBC World Service listeners "around the globe" >>>>would disagree with my contention that there, in fact, isn't. >>> >>>I'm sure they would if they were here. >> >>So you haven't quite abandoned hope that you'll turn up a treasure trove of >>musical longwave broadcasts booming nightly into the United States, over the >>indifferent heads of 250 million people most of whom have never even seen a >>longwave receiver? Is that it, Dimmy? Well? >The rest of the planet realises there are quite a lot of things that >boom over the heads of 250 million Yanks. The rest of the planet also >realises that a "few thousand people around the globe" != "250 million >dumb Yanks that are too fat to leave their own sofas". That's nice. Do you reckon that among the things booming over our heads are oodles and oodles of strong, easily-received musical radio broadcasts on longwave frequencies, or are you just sort of flailing wildly at this point? >>Hey...I just heard that there may be a giant station in, um, Haiti. >>Quickly! Off to Google you go, lad! > >Its just a Yank who fell overboard and got harpooned by the Weegies. Did I say Haiti? I meant Trinidad. Trinidad, Dimmy! There's hope yet! >>>>>Why am I a "fucking momo" for suggesting that Stain *can* listen to >>>>>music over longwave, but it will >>>> >>>>Be. The word "be" belongs here. I wouldn't make a big deal of it >>>>ordinarily, but you've pasted this remarkably stupid question into your >>>>articles so many times, *with the same error intact*, that one can hardly >>>>help noticing it. Really, Dimmy; you could have proofread the fucking thing >>>>at least once. >>> >>>Typos are all you have, Russell. I'm sure that point is abundantly >>>clear to you already. >> >>Well, there's those...and nine months of futile spin-controlling, >>question-dodging, and thread-dropping on your part--all of it archived >>forever on http://groups.google.com > >In nine months you've not even begun to explain your initial statement >that started this thread. I'm sure that point is abundantly clear to >all. The point of your article is still clouded in uncertainty. ^^^^^^^^^^^ We call that "blubber" over here, Thorne. The folks with positive cranial brain/fat ratios certainly had no problem understanding the point of my sixteen-word article, I assure you. > What >did you hilarious fuck up flaming me for again? What are you moron screw top talking about now? > That the reception of >longwave is shite? > >Yeah, you really proved me wrong on that count. Too bad that wasn't your "count," dumbfuck. >>so that the two pretty girls who read alt.flame can remind themselves, >>years in the future when they've grown old and settled down, of the >>reason they chose to send *me* all of their sexually suggestive >>private electronic mail. > >Did they tell you to fuck off too? Not "off," exactly. I can draw you a picture if you like. Incidentally, have you ever in your life conceived anything resembling a witty comeback? >>>>> of such a terrible quality it won't be worth listening to? >>>> >>>>As I pointed out not so long ago, the premise to your remarkably stupid >>>>question is a false one. Do you still not understand why? You never did >>>>say; in fact, you snipped the question without comment shortly after I asked it. >>> >>>The question is perfectly valid. >> >>It most certainly is not. It has a false premise. > >Its perfectly valid, It's nothing of the sort, and I've already told you why. > unless you're a backpedaling, straw-grabbing, >gutless, lying, weasling little coward posting under name Russell. Sure, post under name Russell. Russell name. Why not use name? Name good. Mmmm. >>Do you know what it means for a question to have a false premise, Dims? Well? >There is no false premise in my question, Russell. The false premise >is entirely imaginary on your part. I've already told you why the premise to your remarkably stupid question is a false one. Do you imagine that repeating "it's NOT false, it's NOT false, it's NOT it's NOT it's NOT" is somehow dimming the memory, in the minds of our tens of readers, of my having told you this? >>|| This week I will attend two concerts given by choristers at various >>|| Cambridge college choirs. I am particularly looking forward to Ave >>|| Maria. No sound system in the world can do it justice. I wouldn't even >>|| entertain listening to such music on a radio. The sound, the passion, >>|| the reverberation through your soul cannot be reproduced. >>|| >>|| You enjoy your classical music on long wave. >> >>Nowhere is the slightest mention made of the difficulty of tuning in music >>broadcasts on longwave in the US. > >Why does it have to be? It would have lent at least a smidgen of credibility to your after-the-fact claim that you were only suggesting that Stain *could* listen to music on longwave, not that he *did* (the false premise to your remarkably stupid question, remember?). > The premise that music listened to across >longwave is of piss poor quality in the real world than FM and FM is >of a much poorer quality than a live performance is pretty easy to >grasp. To some, anyway... To all, I should think. But it didn't occur to you that you were talking to somebody who couldn't hear classical music on longwave, "piss poor" or otherwise, even if he wanted to. If it had, you wouldn't have said it. >>That's because at the time Dimmy (that's still you, Tim) wrote the >>sentence, he either wasn't aware or had forgotten that music isn't >>broadcast over longwave in North America. > >"I'm not arguing about the broadcast of music on longwave in the US." > > >Of course not. > >It doesn't have to be broadcast in NA, you hideously stupid halfwit, >it just has to be received. And as I pointed out a long, long time ago, to your (apparently incalculable) dismay, it isn't received here either except by radio geeks with logbooks and loop antennas. You hadn't the slightest inkling of that fact at the time, Dimmy. Your initial attempt to convince me that there was "plenty" of music to be heard here on longwave proves this far more resolutely than any confession I could hope to beat out of you. Another gigantic block of text has been made to go bye-bye. I've restored it. || >>>Well? || >> || >>Well, what? || > || >Well why am I a "fucking momo" for suggesting that Stain *can* listen || >to music over longwave, but it will || || be || || > of such a terrible quality it || >won't be worth listening to? || || I've already told you that your remarkably stupid question has a false || premise. You're a fucking momo for a great number of reasons, but || suggesting that Stain would have a hard time pulling in a music broadcast || over longwave isn't one of them. Can I assume from your failure to rebut this that you've accepted my answer? || > And cut the false question crap. We both || >know its valid and you've been avoiding this for far too long. || || Don't lie, Dimmy. Girls don't like it when you lie. I told you exactly || what was wrong with your remarkably stupid question long ago. ...or didn't I? Do I have to pick up your delicate little hand and show you how to make a fist, or something? || >>Speaking of what I pointed out on November 26 in message || >>, some text having to do with it || >>has been made to go bye-bye. I've restored it. || > || >My hero. || > || >>|| || Any music that "can be" listened to on longwave in the US will be || >>|| || on a carrier so intermittent as only to interest DXers--radio hobbyists || >>|| || whose aim is to log distant stations rather than to listen to the programs. || >>|| || >>|| ...while I was (that is to say, you, under my telekinetic control, were) || >>|| still trying to defend your stupid error on the erroneous grounds that there || >>|| was "plenty" of music to be heard on longwave in the States. || >>|| || >>|| Funny that I (i.e. you, under my supernatural sway) didn't start using that || >>|| little tidbit of information until after I pointed it out to you, isn't it? || >> || >>Well? Isn't it remarkable that only *after* I informed you that music of || >>any kind is extremely difficult to receive in the United States on longwave || >>did you begin to claim that you were flaming Stain for being nearly unable || >>to receive music on longwave--rather than for listening to classical music || >>via a medium that can't reproduce it very well even under optimum || >>conditions? || > || >I flamed Stain for listening to classical music on the radio, you || >complete fucking moron. The only way it should be listened to is a || >live performance. Everything else pales by comparison. This is still || >my original point its still obvious you still haven't gotten my || >original point despite giving lip service to it. || || Except that I told you many months ago that I got your sad little point, || didn't I? All your last-ditch wheedling, then, about how I must have || thought you were flaming Stain for a lack of technical prowess, was for || naught. Do you understand now? Now? How about now? Well? || >>|| >Any other business [...] || >>|| || >>|| Well, there's this: || >>|| || >>|| || And you've spent the ensuing eight || >>|| || months trying to cover up your little fumble, when a simple "Oops, I meant || >>|| || medium wave" would have made the problem go away immediately. || >>|| || >>|| Would you like to say it now? It's not too late, you know. || >> || >>Well? It's still not too late. Our tens of readers will surely appreciate || >>your honesty, no matter how late in the game it may finally be extracted || >>from you. You meant medium wave (or perhaps shortwave), didn't you, Timmy? || > || >I meant longwave. The poorest of all radio mediums with regard to the || >reproduction of music. || || Fucking rubbish, you ignorant lump. Music can be reproduced just as well || (or as badly, if you prefer) using conventional amplitude modulation on the || frequencies between 153 and 279 kHz as it can between 540 and 1700 kHz. || Using new forms of digital modulation, music can be reproduced quite well on || both bands. OK, ball your fingers up...no, don't tuck your thumb in...you'll break it...there you go. That's a fist, Tim. Now, then: do you dispute that music can be reproduced just as well in the longwave broadcast band as it can in the medium wave broadcast band? >>You really don't know much about radio, do you? > >I never claimed to. I hypothesised (not accused, moron) I hypothesize that your mother swallows nut. Can you suggest an appropriate venue where I might put this hypothesis to the test, using the scientific method? I don't want to pay more than $15 an hour for the room. > that any music >Stain could pick up over longwave would be of such a shite quality it >wouldn't be worth listening to. This is wrong how, exactly? Tubey and Argyle are going to be very, very cross if I have to wake them up and make them do their show again, Dimmy. >>Anyway: nobody broadcasts any music on longwave at all on this side of the >>pond, you fucking momo, > >"I'm not arguing about the broadcast of music on longwave in the US." > > >I never claimed there were any broadcasts, Russell. You keep on trying >to claim I did, but the blatant fact of the matter is that event is a >figment of your imagination. Since there are no broadcasts here, there's no reason for anybody other than a radio hobbyist to own a longwave receiver. And indeed, almost nobody does. And if you'd had the foggiest notion that this was the case, even you wouldn't have been so all-fired stupid as to say to an American: "You enjoy your classical music on long wave." >>which is why you screwed up when you used it as an example. You >>should have said "medium wave" instead. > >I really, really, really meant longwave because the reception of it >would be completely fucking shite. I know, Tim. I know. You DIDN'T make a mistake. You DIDN'T. REALLY, you DIDN'T. Except that you did. || Are you quite sure you don't want to just admit it? I'll only claim spank || once ([TM] Some Fuckhead). Well? I mean, I'm only going to claim it once anyway, but...