X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,778deb615f7add50 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-08 07:00:23 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!nntp.cifnet.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: Bateau Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Bring me to Life Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:56:03 +0800 Message-ID: References: <3577fa57.0310060816.63e82094@posting.google.com> <111f5200.0310070129.6769b69e@posting.google.com> <111f5200.0310071516.3976ec3e@posting.google.com> <3577fa57.0310080522.54213b65@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.211.246 X-Trace: 1065621348 freenews.iinet.net.au 23588 203.59.211.246 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:100 Sorry I can't read replies that are more than 50x the length of my post. Sorry. ____ On 8 Oct 2003 06:22:10 -0700 \__/___ Anubis Yellowstar ran through the LI-\o-' streets of alt.ascii-art | waving an axe and screaming: / \ >i never would have thought that a simple cauldron with some modern >song >lyrics would have sparked such a debate. for the record, i happen to >think that "Bring me to Life" is an excellent song, and Evanescene is >a good band, but i predict that they'll be a flash in the pan, that >they'll have a really good 15 minutes of fame that they'll be able to >ride on for awhile (and perhaps some will do side projects and solo >efforts), and then they'll enter into the collective memory as "one >of those fairly good bands of the early 00's", only slightly less >memorable than Linkin Park (who are enjoying their time in the >spotlight a lot longer than i would have predicted). > >Bateau wrote in message news:... > >> No talent, no effort. It's crap. > >"talent" is a matter of opinion. not sure if you're referring to my >cauldron, the song, or both, but it's still simply opinion. i hate >the music of Hanson, but when you consider how young they were when >they cut their first album, and the fact that they actually did play >their instruments (which is more than can be said for the Monkees), >they were pretty damn talented. (talent? yes. effort? plenty. >still crap? yup) > >as for "effort", if you really need a play-by-play, here it is... >1) first i had to get the cauldron just right. i couldn't find any >decent clipart that wasn't more colorful than it needed to be or had >fuzzy edges that were just no good. i found that the "Woolbats" font >had a good cauldron as one of its characters, so then i had to create >a gif file of that character. >2) i had find the lyrics to the song, delete some redundancies, clean >up some typos, and eliminate all carriage returns. >3) using JavE to camelize it wasn't just a 3-second "click-click" >deal, i had to choose and tweak the settings, since the default >settings didn't satisfy me >4) diddling in EditPad wasn't all that difficult, but still needed >to be done. > >do you think ppl shouldn't use JavE? it's kinda like Fruity Loops. >i know some ppl that download Fruity Loops, put about 10 minutes >effort into making a song, and the song actually sounds like something >from Fatboy Slim or Chemical Brothers, and suddenly they're on the >charts at mp3.com. on the other hand, some ppl have used FL to make >innovative, interesting, intelligent music. myself, i prefer to use >a real tracker, like Fast Tracker II (old school) or ModPlug Tracker >(windows equivalent, more user-friendly but stiil requires some actual >skill), but if someone uses FL and comes up with something original >(and good), i'm not going to reject it because it required "no effort" > > /\ | ^ > /__\ |/-\ | ||--\|(- > / \| | \_/||__/|_) [ADw] -- | _ .\ ~~ _ ^~ | <')_,/ , ; .\ >(')__, . ` ' , | (_~=/ \._`.'. .\ (_~_/ _, _..-''-._,____,----,____ | ='- \=~_) ; .\ ~^~~^~ ` (_~_/ `'--'` `~~~~)_)=\_\-.( | -'= .\ ~^~ ~^~~^~ ICQ:11367619 EMAIL:bateau:-)jupiter-io.net WEB:http://tyrian2000.cjb.net