X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,778deb615f7add50 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-08 06:22:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: anubis@email.ipagan.net (Anubis Yellowstar) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Bring me to Life Date: 8 Oct 2003 06:22:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3577fa57.0310080522.54213b65@posting.google.com> References: <3577fa57.0310060816.63e82094@posting.google.com> <111f5200.0310070129.6769b69e@posting.google.com> <111f5200.0310071516.3976ec3e@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.191.228.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1065619331 12198 127.0.0.1 (8 Oct 2003 13:22:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:99 i never would have thought that a simple cauldron with some modern song lyrics would have sparked such a debate. for the record, i happen to think that "Bring me to Life" is an excellent song, and Evanescene is a good band, but i predict that they'll be a flash in the pan, that they'll have a really good 15 minutes of fame that they'll be able to ride on for awhile (and perhaps some will do side projects and solo efforts), and then they'll enter into the collective memory as "one of those fairly good bands of the early 00's", only slightly less memorable than Linkin Park (who are enjoying their time in the spotlight a lot longer than i would have predicted). Bateau wrote in message news:... > No talent, no effort. It's crap. "talent" is a matter of opinion. not sure if you're referring to my cauldron, the song, or both, but it's still simply opinion. i hate the music of Hanson, but when you consider how young they were when they cut their first album, and the fact that they actually did play their instruments (which is more than can be said for the Monkees), they were pretty damn talented. (talent? yes. effort? plenty. still crap? yup) as for "effort", if you really need a play-by-play, here it is... 1) first i had to get the cauldron just right. i couldn't find any decent clipart that wasn't more colorful than it needed to be or had fuzzy edges that were just no good. i found that the "Woolbats" font had a good cauldron as one of its characters, so then i had to create a gif file of that character. 2) i had find the lyrics to the song, delete some redundancies, clean up some typos, and eliminate all carriage returns. 3) using JavE to camelize it wasn't just a 3-second "click-click" deal, i had to choose and tweak the settings, since the default settings didn't satisfy me 4) diddling in EditPad wasn't all that difficult, but still needed to be done. do you think ppl shouldn't use JavE? it's kinda like Fruity Loops. i know some ppl that download Fruity Loops, put about 10 minutes effort into making a song, and the song actually sounds like something from Fatboy Slim or Chemical Brothers, and suddenly they're on the charts at mp3.com. on the other hand, some ppl have used FL to make innovative, interesting, intelligent music. myself, i prefer to use a real tracker, like Fast Tracker II (old school) or ModPlug Tracker (windows equivalent, more user-friendly but stiil requires some actual skill), but if someone uses FL and comes up with something original (and good), i'm not going to reject it because it required "no effort" /\ | ^ /__\ |/-\ | ||--\|(- / \| | \_/||__/|_) [ADw]