X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,6dc8a25c7e8a1ea X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-30 18:05:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: alien_eggman@yahoo.com (Alien Eggman) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: REQ: Any Islamic Art Asciis? Date: 30 Nov 2003 18:05:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 78 Message-ID: <111f5200.0311301805.27d7a6d3@posting.google.com> References: <5fj5svss8ddhd38bd8kmg3cm4vu8njilf9@4ax.com> <9k7hsvgbbcr48csfrnq0oj2ckl5dopibh3@4ax.com> <_k8yb.1667$_P6.1609@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.217.105.134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1070244304 18890 127.0.0.1 (1 Dec 2003 02:05:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 02:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:657 Bateau wrote in message news:... > > >Bateau wrote: > > > >> Islam promotes violence and conquest. How is this not a threat? > > > >Let's take a look at some quotes > > > >Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest > >who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be > >purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) > > > > They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, > >with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, > >the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether > >man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) > > > > Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that > >some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by > >encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine > >the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a > >detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and > >completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then > >you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put > >the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. > >That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none > >of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will > >turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion > >on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your > >ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and > >keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to > >him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) > > > >1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, > >or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you > >and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or > >far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or > >listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but > >kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the > >people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he > >sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of > >the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, > >shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy > >13:7-12 NAB) > > > >I guess you're right, that is a pretty cruddy, violent, racist, exclusionist > >religion. > > > >Except those quotes aren't from the koran. They're from the Judeo-Christian > >bible. > > > >It's RELIGION that's a threat, that incites violence and hatred, not just > >one particular religion. > > Muslims actually pay attention to the violent bits of their book. > Dickhead. To call someone a dickhead because they are right puts you down several more levels then the other person could ever be. Heh, if your not reading & following the whole thing your going to HELL! To blame the Muslims for following through with their faith when you do not expect others, or more importantly yourself to, then that, in a way, actually makes them the better people. Besides, all in all, the Christians have killed WAY MORE then the Muslims have, if you count the crusades, witch hunts, and the persecution of the Jews and pegans. I have very little respect for a Christian that has not read his or her bible, and even less for one that has and does not follow it. Ignorance and blind faith is one thing, knowledge and hypocrisy is quite another. I have read it, and reading it is one of the reasons I'm no longer a member of the church.