X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,aaba0d0b6dc1b0b5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-19 18:14:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news3-1.free.fr!not-for-mail Reply-To: "BoD" From: "BoD" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <1103_1053199699@news.kolumbus.fi> <3ec7046b$0$3540$626a54ce@news.free.fr> <1105_1053360226@news.kolumbus.fi> Subject: Re: Butterfly Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:14:14 +0200 Organization: BoD inc. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 57 Message-ID: <3ec98162$0$30753$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2003 03:14:10 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.132.85.198 X-Trace: 1053393250 news3-1.free.fr 30753 195.132.85.198:1927 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:23191 Well I think you are right about all that (except maybe the part about "real ascii")... I guess I'm just sad, because I like this group, but I also really love logos, and the "graffiti style" :) Of course I could check the others media you mentioned but it would be great to see them here. BoD Maija Haavisto wrote: > Sun, 18 May 2003 05:56:30 +0200, "BoD" kirjoitti: >> By the way, >> >> Maybe it's just me but it seems that this group is not visited by >> "sceners". I think it's odd since they use a lot of ascii art in all >> of their productions, and in .nfo files that come with them or with >> "warez". Some of the artists are very talented, and it would be cool >> to see some of their work here... > > Please don't top post. > > There are several reasons why demosceners don't usually visit this > group. They think their ASCII (which most of the time isn't even > ASCII but ANSI > or other extended characters) is real ASCII, while ours is not. Quite > ridiculous, considering that ASCII art predated demoscene. They think > creating logos requires real skill while we are just lamers. I've > heard them call the style of mine and many others as "just some lame > animals", newsgroup ASCII and Geocities ASCII (I think Joan is to > thank for that). > > Logos do require talent, even though the lineart ones seem rather > easy. I've tried that style and it's quite hard if you don't want to > copy anyone else's style but still stay in the genre. But I think I > could master if I > practised. I just don't see the reason, I like real pictures so much > more. Besides, most of the time Figlet produces prettier results. :P > I don't mean that the logomakers should convert to using Figlet, but > something is wrong > if their logos don't look as good. And it seems like they lack > imagination. Most logos are either blocky or graffiti style, there > are hardly any that resemble hand-writing, for instance. And why draw > only logos? There are > many scene artists that draw other things, but that always seems to > be ANSI, though they call it ASCII "because it doesn't have blocks". > > And one more reasons: demoscene artists prefer to release in "collies" > (collections) or artpacks. There are still some groups that release > packs regularly. It's understandable in a way and it would be cool if > we here released our own pack some day. I've thought about releasing > my Pokemon collection as one pack if I ever finish it. > > Demoscene artists have their own portals, forums and groups, such as > www.acheron.org.