X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,aaba0d0b6dc1b0b5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-30 16:47:56 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!feeder2-1.proxad.net!news3-1.free.fr!not-for-mail Reply-To: "BoD" From: "BoD" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <1103_1053199699@news.kolumbus.fi> <3ec7046b$0$3540$626a54ce@news.free.fr> <1105_1053360226@news.kolumbus.fi> <3ED7994D.31F94B1F@hotbrev.com> Subject: Re: ASCII Stuff Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 01:47:53 +0200 Organization: BoD inc. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <3ed7edaa$0$4585$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2003 01:47:54 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.132.85.198 X-Trace: 1054338474 news3-1.free.fr 4585 195.132.85.198:4236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:23361 Me I find it more logical to top post: in the article n+1 the "new" content is more important than the content from article n. The more important thing should not appear in the end of the message, but at the top. It's not natural to have to scroll to the end of the page to read it. BoD Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > Laura T. wrote: >> Maija Haavisto wrote: >>> >>> Please don't top post. >> >> Please don't bottom post, it's so fricking annoying. > > Please don't top post. > >> If I want to read >> the old stuff I can scroll down for it. > > There shouldn't be any old stuff to scroll down to, just a little bit > of quoted material above your reply (to keep some context). The rest > should be removed. > >> Why do you think blogs are set >> up to have the newest post first, not last. > > Usenet is not email. Usenet is not a web site. Usenet is not a blog. > > Usenet is a place where lots of people try to communicate through text > messages. These messages follow a format that has been developed over > many years. Experience has shown that some things work, some things do > not. Top posting is one of those things that do not work. Also, when > you join an existing community it's usually best to follow the same > rules as those who have been around a while, and in the case of > Usenet one of those rules is: Do not top post. > > Email is different from Usenet in many ways. For example, in email > between two friends you know that the other person has read all the > previous messages, so there may be no point in keeping *any* old > material. Another situation is email between you and a representative > of some organization where you can't expect them to remember who you > are. Then it may be necessary to quote the entire previous > communication, below the newest comments. Then it makes sense to > top-post. Usenet does not resemble either of those situations. > > A blog is a web site where posts are made by one person and updated > with some frequency (e.g. once a day or once a week). Readers can > expect the material to be linear. Regular readers can be expected to > have already read the older contents, so it makes sense to put the > newest first. Usenet discussions tend to fork off in different > directions (sometimes even into different groups!). People join > discussions "in the middle" (if one can even talk about "a middle"). > Sometimes posts don't appear at all. You cannot expect people to have > read the previous posts to a thread. It's sometimes not even clear > what "previous" *means* in this context! > >