X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,6dc8a25c7e8a1ea X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-12-05 12:05:39 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!news-hub.siol.net!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: Bateau Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: REQ: Any Islamic Art Asciis? Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:59:50 +0800 Message-ID: <8mm1tvo38mdkjs7rh4cve0idt3h2molbhb@4ax.com> References: <5fj5svss8ddhd38bd8kmg3cm4vu8njilf9@4ax.com> <9k7hsvgbbcr48csfrnq0oj2ckl5dopibh3@4ax.com> <_k8yb.1667$_P6.1609@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 135 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.191.5 X-Trace: 1070654526 freenews.iinet.net.au 1729 203.59.191.5 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:708 _.--""--._ On ." ". Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:31:29 +0000 (UTC) | . ` ` | in \( )/ alt.ascii-art, \)__. _._(/ Anonymous // >..< \\ spoke |__.' vv '.__/ 84 l'''"''l lines \_ _/ to _ )--( _ the | '--.__)--(_.--' | great \ |`----''----'| / undead || `-' '--' || skeleton || `--' '--' || god |l `--'--'--' |l of |__|`--' `--'|__| giant | | )-( | | ascii || )-( \|| who || __ )_( __ \\ replied... ||' `- -' \ \\ ||\_ `-' _/ |_\ /_\ _)J-._.-L( /`-\ |`- I_)O /\ O( `--l\\\| ||||( `-' `-') .-' ||| \\\ \ / / /// \ \ / / \ \ / / / \ / \ |_()I()._| \ /\ / | / \ | | | \ \ | | \ \ | | \ \ | |-nabis\ \_ | | /-._\ |.-.\ //.-._) \\\\ /// \\\\-''' ``'' > >Bateau wrote in message ... >>>I'm Islamic and have never felt any need or urge to kill anyone. I'm quite >>>pacifistic, actually. >> >>Then you are not truely islamic. > >Really? > >There isn't any religious faith on this earth that requires people to kill other people (other than devil worship) > >>>My wife (also a non-murdering Muslim) is from Indonesia. I have been there >>>twice so far (where nobody seemed to be killing anybody else), and met my >>>in-laws (who are also non-violent). >> >>Hahahahahahaha indonesia isn't violent? > >The vast majority of Indonesians aren't. There are extremists, and seperatists, who want their particular islands to be seperated. >There are demonstrations against the government (who are quite unpopular at the moment, and there are allegations of corruption). >Plus, the economy is shot to hell. > >These are all problems that, in the past, have plagued various major powers globally. > >Look at Argentina; they're a majority Christian populace, and they're having similar difficulties (albeit without claims for >independance as Indonesia has had to deal with). Aside from the Falklands conflict, they're not a violent population either. > >>>I went to visit all her old school friends (none of whom are killers) and >>>met many people whom I now consider to be friends (and not murderers). >>> >>>The mere mention of the names "Osama bin Laden" or "Saddam Hussein" is not >>>taboo as such, but is treated with scorn. The average Islamic person does >>>not follow the extremist (bin Laden) or fundamentalist (Taliban) viewpoint >>>that the Koran must be followed to the letter. >> >>Then why follow it at all? > >Because all of the rest of the Koran's content promotes a civil and peaceful existance, teaches virtue, and shows man that for all >his worldly power, he is nothing compared to the power of Allah (in exactly the same way the Bible does). > >Further to the Koran / Bible comparison, the Adam and Eve story, Noah's Ark, Moses, and many other major Bible stories are also >included in the Koran. > >>>Most of them treat it like the average Christian treats the Bible - they >>>don't take the killing parts literally. >> >>How are you supposed to take them? > >These are treated in context of society. Do you think that the Pope considers these to be the will of God? > >>>Don't pass off all Muslims as violent killers bent on world domination, >>>because it's simply not true. >> >>They all support muslim invasion and oppression of other countries. >>Their religion requires them to. > >What part of their religion requires them to invade, or support the invasion of other countries? > >I've never been told to do that, and neither have any of my in-laws. > > >obascii: Mosque and Church > + > |__ > .' `.`. > c* | ^ |]| > .-'-. | |_|___ > ( ) _L .' '. `. > |"""""""|"-|| .' '.___ `. > | _ | || | .;. | ""| > | | | | [|| | | | | ||| ||| > _|__|_|__|__||____________|__|_|_|__|_____|_ You snipped my skeleton! If you can't play nicely then you will be excluded. 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