X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,6dc8a25c7e8a1ea X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-12-02 01:25:37 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!freenews.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: Bateau Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: REQ: Any Islamic Art Asciis? Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:19:08 +0800 Message-ID: References: <5fj5svss8ddhd38bd8kmg3cm4vu8njilf9@4ax.com> <9k7hsvgbbcr48csfrnq0oj2ckl5dopibh3@4ax.com> <_k8yb.1667$_P6.1609@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 122 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.205.171 X-Trace: 1070356872 freenews.iinet.net.au 1722 203.59.205.171 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:680 _.--""--._ On ." ". Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:01:20 +0000 (UTC) | . ` ` | in \( )/ alt.ascii-art, \)__. _._(/ Anonymous // >..< \\ spoke |__.' vv '.__/ 62 l'''"''l lines \_ _/ to _ )--( _ the | '--.__)--(_.--' | great \ |`----''----'| / undead || `-' '--' || skeleton || `--' '--' || god |l `--'--'--' |l of |__|`--' `--'|__| giant | | )-( | | ascii || )-( \|| who || __ )_( __ \\ replied... ||' `- -' \ \\ ||\_ `-' _/ |_\ /_\ _)J-._.-L( /`-\ |`- I_)O /\ O( `--l\\\| ||||( `-' `-') .-' ||| \\\ \ / / /// \ \ / / \ \ / / / \ / \ |_()I()._| \ /\ / | / \ | | | \ \ | | \ \ | | \ \ | |-nabis\ \_ | | /-._\ |.-.\ //.-._) \\\\ /// \\\\-''' ``'' > >Bateau wrote in message ... >>>It's RELIGION that's a threat, that incites violence and hatred, not just >>>one particular religion. >> >>Muslims actually pay attention to the violent bits of their book. > >I'm Islamic and have never felt any need or urge to kill anyone. I'm quite >pacifistic, actually. Then you are not truely islamic. >My wife (also a non-murdering Muslim) is from Indonesia. I have been there >twice so far (where nobody seemed to be killing anybody else), and met my >in-laws (who are also non-violent). Hahahahahahaha indonesia isn't violent? >I went to visit all her old school friends (none of whom are killers) and >met many people whom I now consider to be friends (and not murderers). > >The mere mention of the names "Osama bin Laden" or "Saddam Hussein" is not >taboo as such, but is treated with scorn. The average Islamic person does >not follow the extremist (bin Laden) or fundamentalist (Taliban) viewpoint >that the Koran must be followed to the letter. Then why follow it at all? >Most of them treat it like the average Christian treats the Bible - they >don't take the killing parts literally. How are you supposed to take them? >In fact, Islam and Christianity are so similar it's unreal. The Koran >even recognizes Jesus (although not as the son of God but as a great >prophet). The Koran's Christ-like figure Mohammed is not revered as the >son of God either; he is known as the last prophet. > >I spoke to my sister-in-law very shortly after September 11th 2001. She >- and the rest of our family - was absolutely shocked and disgusted with >the events that took place on that day. She was saddened and frightened >that those lives were taken "in the name of Allah". > >The fighting in Indonesia at the moment is mostly civil unrest due to the >independance of East Timor, and the other islands that are trying to >seperate from central Indonesian rule. There is very little fighting >between the Muslim majority population and the Christian/Bhuddist/Hindu >people (who make up the 25% of the population who are not Islamic). > >They're a good people. They don't kill because their holy book tells >them to. In fact, the vast majority of them don't kill at all. > >Any Islamic fundamentalist or extremist who kills in the name of Allah is >doing so because that's what they were brought up to do from a very early >age. It's all they know, and all they have ever known. > >Don't pass off all Muslims as violent killers bent on world domination, >because it's simply not true. They all support muslim invasion and oppression of other countries. Their religion requires them to. -- /| |\ /| /| |\ /| // || /| /| |\ // // || /| // // || || || || // // || || (( \\ || || || || / | / | || || ))= \\ ||=|| || || |/|| |/|| ||=|| (( \\ || || || || || || || || \\ // |/ || \\ // || || |/ || \| // || \\=/\\ |/ |/ || |/ \| \| |\ /| |\ |\ /| |\ |\ |\ || /| // || || || || | \ || || ||(( || || || || ||\\ || || || ))= || || || || || )) || ||=||(( || || || || ||// || || || \\ || || \\ // ||/ || |/ || \| ||==/ ||==/ \\=/\\ || || || <> \| |/ Zot