X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,f1109e89c6ab007e X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-10-22 04:20:27 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.uwa.edu.au!nntp.waia.asn.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: Bateau Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: ascii art underground Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:15:10 +0800 Message-ID: References: <069jpugvvq22vk3rsr4tv23d4endk4p0nu@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: i011-193.nv.iinet.net.au X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 1035285141 10265 203.59.11.193 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:20061 ____ On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:09:38 +0100 \__/___ Pete ran through the LI-\o-' streets of alt.ascii-art | waving an axe and screaming: / \ >> I thought I told you guys to quit being uselessly pedantic? > >Pedantic is good. It stops things from getting sloppy. > >> And what's this about text based browsers? That's the problem with > >Some people have email clients that only run ascii. And here's one of the >big selling points of the whole internet thing - it's not all about the >masses. Special interest groups (I'm sure the number of different >newsgroups is over 50000 by now... it was 30000 a year ago...) exist >because they can. Sometimes peoples' interests conflict, which either >leads to a new newsgroup or quarrelling. Err but I don't think his site being non compliant with text based browsers is a "real issue for the scene." > From what I saw (skimming the posts rather than reading them all >in-depth) Palmore came in talking about ansi, someone tried to correct >him, and he came out with a torrent of abuse. Maybe because of a >misunderstanding, but either way that rubbed people up the wrong way, --> >more abuse. If you read them in depth you will find that he invited ascii artists to join his ANSI group and was accused of being a spammer and posting off topic art and all sorts of other insane things. >> inability to view some sites with your text based browser is not a >> concern of this group or any other part of the scene. > >Um, that's debatable, as it's one of the reasons why ascii-art is still >posted. Not one of the reasons I've ever heard from an actual artist or ever seen discussed. >> What exactly is the problem? Even if he didn't mention that they use >> ANSI it still wouldn't be much of a big deal to an 'ascii artist' who >> wanted to join would it? You really don't have anything to whine >> about. Are you just hurt that their website rejected you or something? > >If someone offers something that doesn't work... > >To summarise and try to put an end to the argument. >-ANSI is not the same as ASCII. I think we know this one by now. >-Some people use ascii browsers. They want things flagged ascii to be >ascii. Not a problem. He said the art contained ANSI codes. Anyone who didn't realise that it did was simply not paying attention and only have themselves to blame. >-Some people use other browsers. They can read/write more stuff wrt >different characters. >-This is an ascii-art group, in which non-ascii is converted to junk for >ascii browsers - I would suggest (as seems sensible...) post ascii here >and ansi/etc where they're more appreciated. The FAQ for the group >probably has more about this. No one has posted any art in this thread and Palmore never mentioned any intention of posting any art here. >-This thread is getting close to being a minor flame war. Points of view >are there for those that want to read them; neither side seems likely to >be convinced by the other so just leave it. -- | _ .\ ~~ _ ^~ | <')_,/ , ; .\ >(')__, . ` ' , | (_~=/ \._`.'. .\ (_~_/ _, _..-''-._,____,----,____ | ='- \=~_) ; .\ ~^~~^~ ` (_~_/ `'--'` `~~~~)_)=\_\-.( | -'= .\ ~^~ ~^~~^~ ICQ:11367619 EMAIL:bateau:-)jupiter-io.net WEB:http://tyrian2000.cjb.net