X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,f1109e89c6ab007e X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-10-12 05:10:30 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!feedme.news.mediaways.net!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: Bateau Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: ascii art underground Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:53 +0800 Message-ID: References: <069jpugvvq22vk3rsr4tv23d4endk4p0nu@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 146 NNTP-Posting-Host: i205-249.nv.iinet.net.au X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 1034423253 1560 203.59.205.249 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:19908 ____ On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:12:51 GMT \__/___ Faux_Pseudo ran through the LI-\o-' streets of alt.ascii-art | waving an axe and screaming: / \ > _.--- Bateau spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ >> ____ On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:12:53 GMT >> \__/___ Faux_Pseudo ran through the >> LI-\o-' streets of alt.ascii-art >> | waving an axe and screaming: >> / \ >>> _.--- Bateau spoke in alt.ascii-art --------._ >>>> >>>> They're very similar. Don't be such fucking nazis. It's not like he's >>>> flooding the group with ANSI art. He's just trying to do something for >>>> the fucking scene. >>> >>>One of the best things a person can do for any scene is accurately >>>represent it. >> >> So everyone in the scene should do nothing but pure ascii art in case >> some cock like you mistakes their efforts as THE ENTIRE SCENE and gets >> the wrong idea? > >You wait a week to call me a cock? Damn. You must really like me. > >Anyway all things are relative. THIS group is an ASCII group. He >came in advertising ASCII but made other comments that did not lend >weight to the idea that ASCII was actually what he meant. What he >meant was ANSI. This group and my ideas do not represent the entire >scene. But in his posts he claimed to represent the whole scene >(ASCII/ANSI) but was unable to differentiate between the two and >maintained that they were interchangeable. They are, from an art perspective. Which is the perspective you will find in an art scene. alt.ascii-art is not the whole scene. It is the only place where you will find pure ascii fascism and even then only for technical reasons. >Would you vote for a guy who >ran under the idea of being a Democrat and then stepping up to the >ballot and finding a (R) next to his name? One must accurately >represent what they are selling. He was selling ANSI but advertising >ASCII. That is not good for the scene. Especially in an ASCII group. Selling? WTF? Do you even remember his post? He did mention that ANSI was used in the art. Pay attention. >And please refrain from the ad hominem attacks. They don't do much >to strengthen your arguments. If you want favours try not being an asshole. >>>If I told someone to wear their favorite tie dye shirt to the goth >>>club we will be going to then he is going to be really pissed of find >>>that I misrepresented the situation. >> >> I fail to see the analogy seeing as pure ascii art is perfectly >> acceptable to the ANSI scene. > >But ANSI is not acceptable in THIS ASCII GROUP. No, POSTING ANSI is not acceptable in this ascii group. But a couple of morons seem to think that any discussion or mention of ANSI is also not acceptable. That is simply not true. >This group gets >pissed about non-ascii char sets, groups.google colorized art. You >name it. Yes it does get pissed about them, but it's only a couple of crack heads who get pissed about people talking about ANSI or inviting ascii artists to join an ascii/ANSI art grouup. >This is alt.ascii-art, and not alt.ansi-art. ASCII existed >before ANSI and while ASCII is a subset of ANSI just as a square is a >rectangle a rectangle is not always a square. I thought I told you guys to quit being uselessly pedantic? >> Not to mention that all ascii characters are available to ANSI artists >> and frequently make up virtually their entire works. > >ANSI can be ASCII but it doesn't work the other way. So? >> I've seen a lot >> of ANSI artists that guys like you consider "off topic" who make >> better pure ascii art than you and the other whingers put together. > >And that is all fine and good. I haven't got a problem with ANSI >art. I haven't got a problem with ANSI artists who also do ASCII >art. I have a problem with people advertising ASCII and then offering >ANSI and not knowing (much less acknowledging) the difference. Add to >that a web site that isn't even compliant to text based browsers >(Which I use) and we are looking at some real issues for the scene. Acid has always been a much bigger part of the scene than a.a-a. And what's this about text based browsers? That's the problem with guys like you. You fucking live and breathe ascii. You think ascii art is all about promotion of plain text or some crazy bullshit. Your inability to view some sites with your text based browser is not a concern of this group or any other part of the scene. And like I said, he did say that the art contained ANSI in his very first post so stop being such a whiney bitch. >> Because your text editor is not a person. And apparently neither are >> you if you can't get past the technical differences. > >The world (especially art and computers) revolve around technical >differences. And I have been called an unperson before so you will >have to try harder if it is your intent to continue the ad hominem >attacks. Well the ascii/ANSI art scene never has so stop making ridiculous claims about who is and who is not welcome. >>>I like some ANSI art. I >>>don't have a problem with it. But just as Gogan and Van Gogh who >>>where working together with the same paints and same scenes they are >>>two different animals with two different ideas and visions. >> >> So why do you have a problem with Palmore inviting ascii artists to >> join an ANSI group? A good ascii artist will probably be far better at > >Because it was advertised as an ascii group and not an ansi one. And >that a the site he offered won't even display on a text browser or >mozilla (netscape based browser for those not in the know). What exactly is the problem? Even if he didn't mention that they use ANSI it still wouldn't be much of a big deal to an 'ascii artist' who wanted to join would it? You really don't have anything to whine about. Are you just hurt that their website rejected you or something? >> ANSI than someone who's tried neither. 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