X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,10730325ff30b3c6 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-05-31 13:51:29 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: slimmy@webjaz.net (slim) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: oooooh controversy! Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:51:28 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Nomad News 2.00 (http://www.nomadnews.com) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 90 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:17487 I agree with you totally.....but that is not what I am saying. Its like this....ok so appearantly there are limitations between ANSI and ASCII....that I learned....cool by the way to learn something in USENET hehehe Anyway, As I mentioned in another post. There are ways to break the what people think are confines of an art. Sure it maybe hard to do and take time to accomplish but it can be done. For instance, lets say you take a Standard Black/White Ascii...ASCII is b/w right? I think so....anyway if you take a piece of ascii art that some say cannot be hued. I say it can be done....sure it may not be "PURE" ascii art, but I question what is pure art. Maybe its ANSI art as someone told me earlier...either way it is art. It is a perception. What you may perceive as art some else maybe not, but that is the beauty of art. In other words, if its b/w that is still art, because drawing with charcoal pencil can be art.....drawing with a burnt piece of wood could be art, but so is color. I say lets (as artists) explore the validity and definition of art. With that said here are some questions. Do you think that if the art was done in text, whether ANSI, ASCII or some other kind that it degrades the purity of the arts? If so, why? Here is something else I thought is interesting....most people wouldn't accept ANSI or ASCII as art. The average Joe so to speak. I think they are wrong...but it goes back to the perception thing again. Would you be interested in see a piece of text art that was color....lets say on a black background? Do you say that is not art? ****======/=/==== ****=====/=/===== ****====/=/====== ****===/=/======= ****==/=/======== Is the above example art? or just ASCII art simply? Is there a difference? Let me know what you think..... I enjoy discussing this stuff. "Jill S" wrote: >Point taken. And a good one it is. >But the thing is, if you try to paint a watercolor with acryllics, it's no >longer watercolor. It's still art, and it could still be very nice, but it's >not watercolor. It's that kind of situation I think. >I, myself, have no problem with an extra few bytes of text on my screen, and >I daresay it wouldn't be a huge problem for people who don't want it to >ignore it. I'd say go for it :) > >-- >-Jill S. >"slim" wrote in message >news:uffecbleeqef0b@corp.supernews.com... >> First of all....I'm an artist. I do the old fashion oil paintings, >digital >> art and so on. I attended one of the top art colleges in the USA. It was >> told to us there that nobody decides what art really is about. The artist >> himself/herself determines what art is about. If ascii art is black and >white >> and thats acceptable than that is fine, but the best artist in the world >where >> people who went against the grain. Those people like Picasso, Brock, >Georgia >> O'Keefe and Andy Warhol. They all broke the mold, so to speak. So it is >my >> believe that if art is guided or structured by people who only want to see >it >> a certain way then its not really art to them. In this case ASCII art I >do >> believe could be a very interesting art form black/white or color. Either >> way, I've seen some tremendous artwork posted in here. bug is one,I feel, >has >> a huge amount of talent and Tran Q. Nguyen needs calm down :) Seriously >bug >> Great Work! and to all I say keep exploring this new art medium. It could >> explode in a few years. I know I'll be exploring it. Its all new to me >and >> when I feel comfortable to show you my art I will. >> >> bigcat@meeow.co.uk (N. Thornton) wrote: >> >Hi all. >> > >> >Been reading this a while now, like it. I have lots of goodies to >> >post, but Am I going to get moaned at if I post ascii art wi colour >> >codes along side the plain versions? >> > >> >Regards, NT >> >> >>