X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f9e16,53f9f7cceb4d817f X-Google-Attributes: gidf9e16,public X-Google-Thread: fc9f9,53f9f7cceb4d817f X-Google-Attributes: gidfc9f9,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,53f9f7cceb4d817f X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-Thread: 107d75,4a81179a975b6945 X-Google-Attributes: gid107d75,public X-Google-Thread: f9391,53f9f7cceb4d817f X-Google-Attributes: gidf9391,public X-Google-Thread: 10eb3b,53f9f7cceb4d817f X-Google-Attributes: gid10eb3b,public X-Google-Thread: 10cbb9,53f9f7cceb4d817f X-Google-Attributes: gid10cbb9,public X-Google-Thread: fcfb9,d0123b843bd8782d X-Google-Attributes: gidfcfb9,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-03-28 14:20:25 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!freenix!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Timberwoof Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.seduction.fast,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.text.tex,alt.flame.jesus.christ,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,sci.physics Subject: Re: A question for those interested in physics... Organization: Infernosoft References: <3CA18BA6.1C0@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> <3CA1691A.88F49844@csse.monash.edu.au> <3CA1966B.605@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> <3CA173D1.7487D861@csse.monash.edu.au> <3CA2179C.198B6F6F@greyREMOVErock.org> <3CA37136.7E82003F@greyREMOVErock.org> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) X-Face: 2RO&)WW/'PhPB2:xJ'+>;y4AZ&W@-b0e8-n*Zq)T,BJn!iw;qFoH#hCeY;UQj tY3w;\'TVd3-z!m(_/-~OYG~#@oe$$@1ag9h:~m2RN[X8+Yry:x5a!Y{)%j'"2oSb.ZM -X[E|M(/(e(]rk4/`NbR;LZh\&[~y]mKjl|9< Message-ID: Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:15:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.188.144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1017353720 209.204.188.144 (Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:15:20 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:15:20 PST Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:16365 alt.seduction.fast:80600 comp.os.linux.advocacy:220800 comp.text.tex:43772 alt.flame.jesus.christ:74465 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:137209 comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:14981 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:52923 comp.unix.bsd.misc:1265 sci.physics:165015 In article <3CA37136.7E82003F@greyREMOVErock.org>, Elizabeth wrote: > It was sort of a joke question. I haven't studied physics for a while, > but IIRC, it doesn't make a sound. I guess we're talking about a closed > system, so the energy required to ring the bell must come from within, > and barring no other forces involved, the bell would vibrate > indefinitely. Now I wonder if there's a small amount of heat involved in > the transfer of energy. Anybody know? I haven't thought about this stuff > in ages! The bell rings because someone hit it with something. Its ringing sets up pressure waves in the air, and we can hear those. In a vacuum, a bell might vibrate for longer than in an atmosphere because there's no atmosphere to carry energy away from it. However, internal friction of the moving metal will eventually damp the vibrations (and heat up the bell). Imagine this scenario: Rigidly attach a bell to the inside of a steel container. Evacuate the air from the container. Then ring the bell. (Okay, you can have an electromagnet with a hammer in there.) Assuming that you and the container are in an atmosphere, and the container isn't unreasonably thick, you might be able to hear the bell ringing even though it's in a vacuum. -- Timberwoof http://www.infernosoft.com/timberwoof/motorcycle/index.html a motorcycle faq: http://www.infernosoft.com/timberwoof/motorcycle/faq.shtml