X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: f996b,e852db44e2f0563e X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-07-31 07:51:32 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: llizard Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Nerd Boy, episode 257 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:50:34 -0400 Organization: via Internetdirect, Canada; zone 6A (or is it 5b?) Message-ID: <6isfku0eo8qsdktvcs6o827i2oi4ke501q@4ax.com> Reply-To: llizard@idirct.ca References: <64nakuose1rtnlj00lg7ojqjscs3janekv@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 95 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:18630 In article , "Joaquim G�ndara" wrote: >"llizard" skrev i meddelandet >news:tnjdkug18ummleua0tbjbq8enln625msu2@4ax.com >> In article , "Joaquim >> G�ndara" wrote: >> >"llizard" skrev i meddelandet >> >news:da9bkussva7cpq7qr9410a7v0hre6k0p9t@4ax.com [snip] >> >> The *point! laugh!* seems to be an spoonfeeding explanation for >> >> readers who may be unable to make out Fanboy's expression. >> > >> >Nooonononono. I understand how it can be mistaken for spoonfeeding, given the >> >unclear medium. The fact is that I've seen it in comics where the pointing is >> >perfectly obvious; the index finger is simply accompanied by a *point!* sound >> >effect. Similarly, I've seen the sound effect *stare!*. >> >> Just because it's in other comics doesn't make it any more acceptable. > >Just because you haven't read the other comics doesn't mean no one else has. >I want to and need to draw inspiration from other comics. It makes no difference at all whether anyone has read the other comics or not. I would still say that *laugh* *point* in this instance was unnecessary. >> Either the drawing is selfexplanatory or it is not. In this case, in >> context, it is clear that Fanboy is laughing at Nerdboy. > >Good. Then the sound effects shouldn't be a problem. The sound effects detract from it. I see the words and immediately think "Well, Duh... Yeh, I think I already knew that...." The sound effects there just look to me like an apology for the medium. And I'm well aware that small ASCII-art is extremely difficult to convey. _____|_____ |\ ||||| /| | \ ||||| / | | \|||||/ | | (-o,o-) | ~---, | \ c / | \_,^%--- | ,`-'. | /> \ Hey, I should know - my self portrait | .-\/@\/-. | ___/ > is the original IPOS (incomprehensible _|/_________\|_ (# o) > pile of sticks) /|\ '-~ /|^^ / | \ ejm | \ >> >> Hmmmm. It doesn't work for me. (How exactly does a *point! laugh!* >> >> sound?) >> > >> >Actually, that's the whole point of it. It was supposed to be a joke. There >> >-is- no *point!* sound! I'm not trying to be overly clear and explain that >> >Fan Boy is pointing. There's been plenty of pointing in the comic strip >> >without any explanations, why would I start now? >> >> And THAT is my point exactly (no pun intended). Why should you start >> now? > >I haven't. I believe that you have, by putting in those "sound effects". However, it is clear that I am the only one who objects to the sound effects. C'est la vie. >> The extraneous *point* *laugh* detracts from Nerdboy's "OK, don't >> answer that", which is the punchline (at least I thought that was the >> punchline) > >A weak punchline, which I wanted to combine with a postpunchline joke, >Calvin & Hobbes style. The punchline isn't weak. The postpunchline joke would work better if it didn't have the extra words to distract the eye. But I sense that you have tired of my ceaseless nagging on this. From now on, I will try to confine my comments on your strips that I find funny to "oh wow that was fabulous" and perhaps attempt to say why I think it works. And speaking of #258, is there a reason that it is only on http://nerdboy.xepher.net/ and not on http://nerdboy.port5.com/ ? -- ____ llizard aka ejm llizard@idirec+.ca /| OO| | |.||| ,^^%--- the only reason I've made suggestions |_|_bb| _/>\ \ is that I see something quite good --- == > \ that with a few tweaks could be great [_____] __>,^ ejm | | //| | ASCII-art & ASCII-animation www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/ascii-art/ If you are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "idirct"