X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,b8b1a663c4829ea5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-01 11:44:49 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail From: Mel Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Mr.Genius Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:45:47 +0200 Organization: www.AdderleyStreet.co.za Lines: 465 Message-ID: References: <3c252255$0$46364$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial70.mindspring.co.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ctb-nnrp1.saix.net 1009914285 5446 196.25.102.70 (1 Jan 2002 19:44:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jan 2002 19:44:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:13245 On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:25:53 -0600, Taliszanna sucked my dick and said: >On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Mel wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:11:11 -0600, Taliszanna >> sucked my dick and said: >> > You are missing a lot of early European history then. Europe has >> >had history for much longer than they've known Africa. >> we all came from africa... > That isn't proven. That has only been theorized. no it is a fact... we all descend from a so-called Eve who lived in Africa... >> > The terrorism in the U.S.A. was an attack on THEM, not Europe and >> >it had nothing to do with S.Africa-- it was to do with Osama Bin Laden >> >wanting his name to go down in history because he's an egotistical >> >swine. >> you have probably no idea how truly villainous the rulers of europe over the >> millennia were... >That reply seems like an attempt to dodge acknowledging that I have a >point. you don't have a point... what OBL did was a good thing... he forced the world to reassess their actions... no matter what Bush and Blair prattle, thinking people around the world are reassessing what their role was in causing this... it's only cunts like Bush that want Americans not to think about the shit that America is involved in... his whole fucking dynasty has had it's hand in world terror since whenever... the presidents of America all share the same bloodline... they are all closely related to one another... and their hands are red with the blood of innocents... Bush doesn't want the average man to know this... > The reply was on New York, not some European country. The white >people of today cannot be blamed for the deeds of those that came before >they were even in existence. yes, they can... someone has to bear the responsibility... the people who were in the twin towers and the pentagon were forced to bear the responsibility... it's like debt which must be repaid... if your ancestors incur debt from aeons ago but refuse to even service it, then the current generation is saddled with it... what do you think is happening in Africa right now??? Previous corrupt governments incurred monstrous debts and now the current generation is fucked because of it... why do you think we demand a debt jubilee...? Blood, however, can only be repaid in blood... because people will _never_ forgive that crime... >> even the popes of the past have outshown his evil deeds... and i don't >> consider what obl did as evil... america continues to support israel's >> genocide against the palestinians and thus is a legitimate target... >> palestinian civilians die, it is proper that american citizens die too... >Okay, fine-- but how are you going to explain anthrax being sent to >Canada? sharing the joy...? >> i don't give a fuck what bush says... he is a fucking arsehole... bush (and >> most americans) don't give a fuck about the millions of arabs israel kills >> and oppresses... the israelis (who are all jews) >They both kill each other-- like how in Belfast Ireland the Protestants >and the Catholics are always at each others' necks. Nobody is innocent or >any better than the other side. One is right and the other is wrong... definitely... when two claims for legitimacy are made which are mutually exclusive, then either one or neither are valid... but not both... Northern Ireland must be vacated by the British... that is the only solution, and until the fucking British get out, the problem continues... they should just fucking leave overnight... just hand it fucking over... If your clan has a person who comes over and kills one of my clan, and then I retaliate and kill some of yours which sparks a millennia long feud, I am still right and you are still wrong, because your clan started it... thus all the blood is on your hands... there is no other way to see it... >> > I know that people in Afghanistan are very poor and life is hard, >> >but tough shyte if they are bad at business. >> oh fuck you... >Hey, I didn't say that to indicate that I have no sympathy for people >dying in the street. I know tonnes of people who have absolutely >nothing aside from the clothing on their backs and their citizenship >here. I'm just saying that what it looks like to all of North America >is Afghanistan being pissed off because things in trade and economy >have not gone their way so they are throwing the biggest damned tantrum >possible. it's about the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people... America arms and aids Israel, hence they are as guilty as Israel... America allows its defence contractors to profit from the deaths of 5yo Palestinians... and every American is bathed in blood... and so they are all legitimate targets... > THAT is what it looks like to us. Do you honestly expect every >country to share, share, share every bloody thing that they have with the >rest of the world? yes... I don't expect people to continue to think that they can store up 10 times the resources they need when there are people dying from lack of resources... capitalism is evil... pure evil... it is slavery... and it empowers the sickest most vile sadistic creatures... > Do you expect things to be nicey-nice in the politics >of business? yes... > Of course they won't be! then they will attract bullets... as they do... > The object of the trade world is >to do as well as you can for your company and for your country. yes, that is capitalism and it is a bankrupt philosophy... everyone knows that co-operation is a much better and sustainable economic practice... but it does mean less of a concentration of resources... so it is less attractive to the evil greed of man... greed in turn attracts crime... and that is why crime has spiralled out of control in this world... on the one hand we have unimaginable prosperity for very few individuals and on the other hand we have crime ravaging society... > To the winners go the spoils. hence the motivation for the "losers" to shortcut the process and use weapons to achieve wealth... the capitalists write the rules of business and declare breaking the rules as "crime"... but the rules are stacked in their favour... for example... you have $1000 dollars... you wish to profit by loaning this amount to people who will pay you interest... how much can you loan? $1000... @ 10% interest per annum you receive an income of $100 pa... a bank has $1000 dollars... how much can it loan? $25 000 (assuming a mandatory 4% reserve)... @ 10% interest pa, earnings are $2500 pa... on the same capital amount... this is just one example of how the evil capitalists write their rules so that they can always out earn you... and thus control you, because their greater wealth delivers to them greater _real_ power... the game you play is catch up... as you try to jump through the hoops so that you can enjoy earning parity, the goalposts are already being shifted... government is the biggest scam... they write the rules for their capitalist buddies (who buy them) to always ensure they have the upperhand... you probably don't want to believe this, but trust me, this is how the game works... > Those who don't kick ass every day on the economic >scene can't very well demand that we give them what we've just earned. the system must be destroyed from the top down... not the bottom up... I don't want your pennies... I want to destroy those who have locked up the world's trillions... these people's families have earned their wealth over centuries from all manner of shit deals... like the Kennedy's whose wealth comes from Opium smuggling (into China during the 1800s) and alcohol bootlegging (during the Prohibition)... now they have asset snatching laws to prevent the current generation following in their footsteps... I'm telling you with a straight face, that this world is under the control of the most unscrupulous evil twisted capitalist shits the planet has ever known... >The world might as well be under Communist ruling if we did that. there should be no central government... only points of administration... and everyone should work for the good of all... but finding a better method of organising society is a non-trivial exercise... > It is >unrealistic to have such expectations. It is a dog-eat-dog world and no >one was ever promised less-- no matter *where* they were born. well dog eat dog implies that crime and lack is built into the system... the capitalist system does not allow parity... it locks people into an unfair system which keeps the ruling class in power... hence it must be destroyed... >> at 21, I cannot expect you to have a sophisticated appreciation of >> reality... >Taken a look in the mirror recently? Some of the things that you've said >are heavily clouded by your jaded attitude and it is apparent that you >tend to paint entire groups with a single brush frequently purely for the >sake of lashing out. I am jaded because I have seen how things work... and it is truly sick... >> the only reason the arabs of the middle east are not poverty stricken >> wanderers of the desert was that they lucked out on oil reserves... >> that has fuck all to do with being good or bad at business... >Yes, it fucking well does. no it does not... > They are generally not good at the social end >of business (yay, let us go blow up our neighbours and scare the entire >planet away from us!). OPEC nations are extremely wealthy and money continues to pour in... and in Saudia Arabia an oppressive royalty is in power... they don't share their wealth with their subjects evenly... they grab resources so that they may have power and status and control... this is sick... > Besides oil, they've been found in the past to >have little to offer that the rest of the world has a great demand for. it is enough... the world falls over itself to keep the oil flowing... >The rest of the world cannot be blamed for not taking interest in them. >The world is to blame for their problems regarding the numbers of starving >people they have due to the government generally not giving a shit about >their citizens and managing foreign relations poorly. Don't you think >that those who run the Middle Eastern countries live a very high life >while those that voted them into office are dying in the alleyway? I know >that it is certainly that way for the Arabs... yes... it is the evil capitalist system... >> johannesburg is only wealthier than cape town because they have huge >> gold reserves... >And so to them go whatever spoils that that brings. and Johannesburg is the one city in South Africa that has the highest rate of violent crimes... wealth is unevenly distributed... the filthy rich living next door to the starving masses... the lesson staring us all in the face is a very simple one... either give your wealth freely and willingly to alleviate their mass suffering or live in the chaos of perpetual and real fear of imminent death... the mass of suffering people know that all they have to do is to stretch out their hands and take from those who have a surfeit to ease their suffering... and so they do... and it gets messy... do you know that I will work my entire life and never become a billionaire unless by incredible fluke...? don't quote me the examples of the exceptional people, look at the average person to discover the truth... the westerner has been brainwashed to think in a particular direction... you don't give to these people, because they didn't "earn it"... they must earn your wealth at R5/hour... those are your rules... clearly the masses don't approve, they'd rather rob you of all your valuables in under an hour... so something must give, and it does... your life gives out when the young black chap squirts hot lead into your pathetically fat white body, pulls it out of your bmw, jumps in and drives off... this happens every hour every day in Johannesburg... >> the mongolian people lived in abject poverty in a barren geographic >> region... they grew tired of their poverty and Genghis Khan built the >> Mongolian Empire which conquered China, Persia, Russia and Eastern Europe... >He didn't sit around blaming the world because they were successful, >however-- he just accepted that they were so-- and he also didn't turn it >into a holy war in order to disguise personal motivations. but what he did was he demolished the cities of the wealthy, plundered their immense wealth and tortured the people to death... >> what I'm saying is that most people just get rich by virtue of where they >> stay, but others who stay in poorer regions get fed up and take by force the >> luxury that others enjoy... >I know that and it's called pillaging. It still doesn't make it right. >You can't possibly tell me that it does when you were so against White >people doing it. the spaniards had immense wealth before they demolished the Inca Empire... that was just pure fucking greed... the mongols did some pillaging because they had fuck all to begin with... you see most ordinary people like you and me don't want to rule the world... we just want enough to live a happy contented life... royalty otoh doesn't think like that... they want immense wealth and even more... the more wealth, the greater their power... they all want to rule the world... and they do... the Bushes and Clintons all descend from ancient royal family bloodlines... the people who rule the world write the rules of capitalism and horde immense wealth... they don't want to grant a debt jubilee... they want to maintain control over Africa by means of our indebtedness... they'd sooner see us die by the million than give us a break... all for the sake of their lust for power and control... >Also, don't try telling me that you don't think that Ghengis Khan didn't >do that for himself. He lived a very, very wealthy lifestyle afterwards-- >much more so than his subjects. he fucked the women and rode off on the horses... yes... he was merely operating within the parameters of the system... the capitalists of this world do not withhold themselves from violence to achieve their ends... they send in their troops... but you can't send in your troops... that makes you a criminal... or a terrorist!!! until you achieve critical mass... then you're no longer a terrorist, but a legitimate leader to be negotiated with... this means that they no longer have sufficient power to defeat you outright... so they respect you... they only respect raw power... if OBL commanded an army the size of China, the US would be taking him seriously... >> it has always happened, and the same will happen in the west... despite all >> your confidence in your military prowess, the west will be defeated >Just because you want it to be so, it doesn't mean that it will be. The >U.S.A. *is* very equipped and both Canada and the U.S.A. are trained >well. I think that you'd just like to continue to fantasize that America >is a monster because you are bitter and jaded in general. if you truly understood the nature of the people who command the countries of the West, you'd want them dead right now... JFK was eliminated because he didn't want to play the "old boys" game and have a nice little war in vietnam... johnson was no fool though, he sent in the troops like he was told to... and he got rewarded... >> and molten silver will be poured in your eyes and down your throats... >Are you almost done? that's what Genghis Khan did to the people he defeated... nowadays the US just drops a couple of daisy cutters... >> >No one ever promised them a rose garden. >> we want it nonetheless and we will have it... >That is a very childish way of looking at the world. welcome to the way the world currently works... >> neither is war... hording of wealth is a declaration of war against those in >> poverty... >Don't be ridiculous. of course it is... if you grab all the resources, even those for which you have no need, you cause others to die for lack of them... that is an act of war... > It is the government of one country taking care of >its own-- doing its assigned job as best as it can. the people in charge of this world only care about manipulating countries to their own ends... the needs of the common people are low down the priority chain... any and all aid exercises are mere PR to assuage the world... while behind the scenes countries which do not play the "old boy" game are kept in poverty... do you think that Robert Mugabe is a poor man? He has destroyed the agricultural economy of Zimbabwe and precipitated mass starvation, but do you think he will lose 1kg of weight...? Bob is doing exactly what his bosses have told him to do... fuck his country up... for that he will be rewarded... btw a trend in this world is hatred of Muslims... wherever in the world you go, Muslims are being persecuted... someone has given the order to hurt Muslims... and it's being carried out... > The government of >America is not responsible for the rest of the world. the government of America does not even care for America let alone the rest of the world... they're the biggest bunch of evil conniving thieves... > The governments of >other countries are supposed to pay attention to what is in demand or are >supposed to create something that will be in demand. government serves its own perverted self-interests... > To believe that >everyone is supposed to share is to advocate global communism-- which >could never work. how do you know...? it has never been attempted... and certainly Stalinism and other Russian variants were just more government oppression than true communism... communism in its purest form is you... you care... you have told me in your postings... you would give to someone in need if you had surplus... I know I would, because I have already done so myself... if we got rid of all these wicked greedy people in charge of the world and allowed the people of the world the opportunity to reinvent human society where we don't race each other to accumulate hordes of wealth but instead put the emphasis on seeing that everyone is looked after, I believe we could invent a world worth living for and in... it would never be perfect, but it would be a lot better... > Communism doesn't even work on one country let alone >stand the chance of working for an entire planet. Communism works in many circumstances... when you share your lemons with your neighbour because he is your neighbour, you are being a good little commie... communism is best practised by ordinary people acting in accordance with a new co-operative spirit of human enterprise... we need to change the way we view things... we don't need a government to tell us what to do, we need to do what we instinctively know is the best thing... we need to also not want to control others... give without trying to coerce... because that is the method of our society now... I'll help you, now I own you... >> when someone is holding a razor edged dagger to the soft spot in your throat >> and you know that within the next 5 seconds it is going to be plunged into >> your throat till it protrudes out the back of your neck, and that you will >> writhe and wriggle in pain as you choke to death on your own blood, how >> willing would you be to hand over your entire fortune for just another hour >> of life...? >You really believe that that is going to happen, don't you? it happens all the time... every day... I've been mugged... I have the scar tissue to prove it... > **scoff** I suppose that you advocate slavery too so long as it is white people. if you wanna be my slave, I'm happy to have you... heh... >I'm tired of this conversation. awwwww... wanna hug...? -- smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself if in doubt, suck me www.AdderleyStreet.co.za