X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f4f17,15af5515548b5f51 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4f17,public X-Google-Thread: fc9f9,15af5515548b5f51 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc9f9,public X-Google-Thread: fcfb9,15af5515548b5f51 X-Google-Attributes: gidfcfb9,public X-Google-Thread: fe7ce,15af5515548b5f51 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe7ce,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,15af5515548b5f51 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-30 11:09:24 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sjc-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.seduction.fast,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Communism and Democracy . . . References: <3c57cfd0.3518600@news.dial.pipex.com> Organization: My Organization X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: vlad@vlad.best.vwh.net (Vladimir Kuznetsov) Originator: vlad@vlad.best.vwh.net (Vladimir Kuznetsov) Lines: 96 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:10:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.220.86.190 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: sjc-read.news.verio.net 1012417820 192.220.86.190 (Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:10:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:10:20 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:14275 alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian:35431 alt.politics.socialism:15041 alt.seduction.fast:74650 comp.os.linux.advocacy:184031 Dear radiant, as a rule I read e-mails only from trusted sources. I read your e-mail by pure accident. It is also my policy to respond only in a newsgroup where the discussion was inititated. So I am publishing this email together with my response Have a nice day vlad >Although the Communist regimes were unsucessful, Europe is slipping as a Yes, they were . . . >general trend into a socialist/ Communist trend. The government is taking >away huge portions of earned income and using the money from it's working >class taxpayers to support government programs such as social security, and >health care. Money is free speech, and power. If the government takes the >right to earn,and spend your money away from you, then its' communism. >As for a democratic communist government, why would it not be possible. Do >they have conflicting ideas, or methods of operating a government so >different that they cannot coexist? In the very same way that capitalism can >exist with democracy, communism can also exist with democracy. Up to now in all attempts to implement society on receipes of Marx and Lenin (presumbaly "communism") democracy was first to go out of the window. Of course their ideology and propaganda machines were propagating mith of democracy. There is something to think about it. vlad >So the >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vladimir Kuznetsov" >Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:14 PM >Subject: Re: Democracy vs Communism? >> In article , >> radiant wrote: >> >Democracy and Communism are not polar opposites of one another. Democracy >is >> >a social system of running the government. Communism is an economic >>system. >> >But they're all related, a economic system will affect the government, >and >> >vice versa. >> > The history of 20th century showed us that all attempts to build > a cosiety based on principles of communism had as a result extremely > undemocratic, dictatorial, opressive regimes. USSR, PRC, North Vietnam, > Cuba - just to name a few. > > There is something to think about, is not it? > > > > > >It is possible however to have democracy and communism together, because > >they do not necessarily have to be in conflict with one another in ideals. > > And may I ask what makes you to think so? Is it just wishful > thinking or you have some credentialis to show? > > >In fact, the only way to have true, pure democracy is to have a socialist/ > >communist system, where everybody has the equal right, and vote accordingly. > Again, the historical experience of 20th century proves > just the opposite. Do you know something that we simple mortals > do not know? > > This kind of posting shows that nowdays any idiot can post on the > Internet, and unfortunately many do. > > vlad > >