X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,e2473c0794e4469b,start X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-Thread: 1060b3,aa61b7bb19c97dbc X-Google-Attributes: gid1060b3,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-14 03:47:40 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!easynews!news-xfer.siscom.net!not-for-mail From: "Tor" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.flame.niggers Subject: Re: How will black troops put up with racial slurs if Somolia's invaded? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:36:01 -0600 Organization: Sent via Graf's Inn at news://news.relhum.org Message-ID: References: <3C429942.856AA10@hotmail.com> X-ORIG-Posting-Host: unassigned-208-35-138-54.ip.accessacg.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0201_01C19CCE.1DD244C0" X-ORIG-Trace: errol.relhum.org 1011007438 14320 208.35.138.54 (14 Jan 2002 11:23:58 GMT) X-ORIG-Complaints-To: abuse@relhum.org X-ORIG-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:23:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 285 NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 2002 11:47:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 7ebfb3bc.news.newshosting.com X-Trace: DXC=DedXQlIU0VcW\bIo69Y2MbX`1N4>^k1LciF6BbIV4YYb\jO wrote in message = news:a1uf1n$72o$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net... > Skiff Izlaan wrote in message > news:3C429942.856AA10@hotmail.com... > > I hope the God this doesn't happen......... >=20 > > http://www.finalcall.com/national/somalia01-08-2002.htm >=20 > "Many Blacks fear the next terror war target could be Somalia, a = country > ravaged by drought, famine and civil war, and the scene of America's = worst > military humiliation in years." Generous use of Daisy Cutters > http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm ) will minimize = that > hazard..... Big Bombs Are Best Up in the sky! It's a nuke, it's napalm, it's . . . a Daisy Cutter?=20 by Victorino Matus=20 THIS PAST WEEK during a massive nighttime aerial bombardment near Kabul, = the Al Jazeera network caught on video an enormous, fiery-red mushroom = cloud with flames reaching 1,000 feet into the air.=20 Had the United States, in its determination to win the war, decided to = go nuclear? Hardly. But what everyone did see on the screen was the = dropping of the world's largest non-nuclear weapon, the BLU-82. This = bomb, popularly known as the "Daisy Cutter," but also bearing monikers = like the "Commando Vault," "Big Blue," and the "Cheeseburger," costs = $27,000, is about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle, and weighs 15,000 = pounds. Its manufacturer is classified--as is the number of Daisy = Cutters in the U.S. inventory. But we do know how it works:=20 A C-130 transport plane (one of the few planes large enough to carry the = bomb) flies over a designated target area at an altitude of no less than = 6,000 feet. From the rear of the plane the Daisy Cutter is pushed out on = a sled. Once in the air, the sled detaches and the Daisy Cutter releases = its parachute (the sled has a separate chute). At the base of the bomb = is a two-foot long conical nose probe. When the nose hits the ground = (and the bomb is about three feet in the air), it detonates. (For a = demonstration of how a BLU-82 is delivered, go to the London Guardian's = website.)=20 There is no arguing that the Daisy Cutter is indeed the most powerful = conventional weapon in the U.S. arsenal. General Wesley Clark calls it = "a terrific weapon. . . . It's got tremendous destructive power." He = isn't kidding: Its 12,600 pounds of a high explosive called GSX is three = times the amount of explosive used in the second most powerful bomb--the = GBU-28 "bunker buster." Jane's Air Launched Weapons guide describes GSX = as "a jellied slurry blast explosive" of aluminum powder, polystyrene = soap, and ammonium nitrate. This would be similar to the bomb used by = Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City--just six times more powerful. A fiery = explosion results, as seen in the Al Jazeera broadcast, but most of the = damage is caused by a shockwave, or "overpressure," amounting to 1,000 = pounds per square inch. Because the bomb explodes above ground, the = damage is not confined by a crater. Instead, the blast flattens = everything within a diameter of roughly 600 yards. The shockwaves can be = felt miles away.=20 First used during the Vietnam War, the Daisy Cutter wiped out dense = vegetation (hence the nickname) to make way for helicopter landing = zones. In 1991 during Desert Storm, the United States dropped 11 Daisy = Cutters on Iraqi minefields and antiaircraft positions. The bombs were = said to have had an enormous psychological impact on the enemy, which = the American military quickly exploited by dropping leaflets stating = that unless Iraqis surrendered, more were on the way.=20 It is no surprise that a weapon of such ferocity would grab the = attention of the media. Many reports, though, have mistakenly described = the Daisy Cutter as a fuel-air bomb. "That's absolutely incorrect," = explains Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air Launched Weapons. "This = bomb does not ignite oxygen, turning the air into fire. The damage comes = from the overpressure." When asked what, then, happens to a person = standing in its way, Hewson remarks, "He'd simply be flattened. Crushed. = There'd be severe damage to one's internal organs."=20 With such firepower in mind, you might wonder why don't we just drop = more of them on the enemy. Because these bombs are delivered by a C-130, = an extremely large, slow-flying aircraft, enemy ground forces can pose a = threat to the plane's crew even before the bomb is released. "It has to = be a most benign environment," says Hewson. "During the Cold War, no one = would ever think of using them on the Warsaw Pact so these bombs simply = stacked up, collecting dust." Only when air superiority is achieved, as = in Iraq and now in Afghanistan, can a BLU-82 be safely dropped.=20 Still, the very nature of the bomb has made it controversial. Britain's = Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon had to defend its use against the Taliban. = "One large bomb is used in substitution for a range of smaller ones and = if, in fact, it hits the target more effectively, then it's an entirely = appropriate weapon," Hoon explained to the BBC. He later went on, "These = weapons are not being used against the civilian population of = Afghanistan, they are being used to deal with military targets--military = targets that ultimately could threaten coalition forces."=20 Even so, there's no denying that the Daisy Cutter is a terrifying = weapon. Hewson relates the story of a British SAS unit in Iraq during = the Gulf War. The men had apparently witnessed the detonation of a Daisy = Cutter when one of them exclaimed, "My God, the Yanks are using nukes!" http://www.weeklystandard.com/Check.asp?idArticle=3D514&r=3Dobizp ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C19CCE.1DD244C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Byker <byker@do~rag.net> wrote in = message news:a1uf1n$72o$1@slb4= .atl.mindspring.net...
> Skiff Izlaan <skiff9mm@hotmail.com> wrote = in=20 message
> news:3C429942.856AA10@hotmail.= com...
>=20 > I hope the God this doesn't happen.........
>
> > = http://w= ww.finalcall.com/national/somalia01-08-2002.htm
>=20
> "Many Blacks fear the next terror war target could be Somalia, = a=20 country
> ravaged by drought, famine and civil war, and the scene = of=20 America's worst
> military humiliation in years."  Generous = use of=20 Daisy Cutters
>  http://www.fa= s.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm=20 ) will minimize that
> hazard.....

Big Bombs Are Best

Up in the sky! It's a nuke, it's napalm, it's . . . a Daisy = Cutter?=20
by Victorino Matus 

THIS PAST WEEK during a massive nighttime aerial bombardment near = Kabul, the=20 Al Jazeera network caught on video an enormous, fiery-red mushroom cloud = with=20 flames reaching 1,000 feet into the air.=20

Had the United States, in its determination to win the war, decided = to go=20 nuclear? Hardly. But what everyone did see on the screen was the = dropping of the=20 world's largest non-nuclear weapon, the BLU-82. This bomb, popularly = known as=20 the "Daisy Cutter," but also bearing monikers like the "Commando Vault," = "Big=20 Blue," and the "Cheeseburger," costs $27,000, is about the size of a = Volkswagen=20 Beetle, and weighs 15,000 pounds. Its manufacturer is classified--as is = the=20 number of Daisy Cutters in the U.S. inventory. But we do know how it = works:=20

A C-130 transport plane (one of the few planes large enough to carry = the=20 bomb) flies over a designated target area at an altitude of no less than = 6,000=20 feet. From the rear of the plane the Daisy Cutter is pushed out on a = sled. Once=20 in the air, the sled detaches and the Daisy Cutter releases its = parachute (the=20 sled has a separate chute). At the base of the bomb is a two-foot long = conical=20 nose probe. When the nose hits the ground (and the bomb is about three = feet in=20 the air), it detonates. (For a demonstration of how a BLU-82 is = delivered, go to=20 the London Guardian's website.)=20

There is no arguing that the Daisy Cutter is indeed the most powerful = conventional weapon in the U.S. arsenal. General Wesley Clark calls it = "a=20 terrific weapon. . . . It's got tremendous destructive power." He isn't = kidding:=20 Its 12,600 pounds of a high explosive called GSX is three times the = amount of=20 explosive used in the second most powerful bomb--the GBU-28 "bunker = buster."=20 Jane's Air Launched Weapons guide describes GSX as "a jellied slurry = blast=20 explosive" of aluminum powder, polystyrene soap, and ammonium nitrate. = This=20 would be similar to the bomb used by Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma = City--just six=20 times more powerful. A fiery explosion results, as seen in the Al = Jazeera=20 broadcast, but most of the damage is caused by a shockwave, or = "overpressure,"=20 amounting to 1,000 pounds per square inch. Because the bomb explodes = above=20 ground, the damage is not confined by a crater. Instead, the blast = flattens=20 everything within a diameter of roughly 600 yards. The shockwaves can be = felt=20 miles away.=20

First used during the Vietnam War, the Daisy Cutter wiped out dense=20 vegetation (hence the nickname) to make way for helicopter landing = zones. In=20 1991 during Desert Storm, the United States dropped 11 Daisy Cutters on = Iraqi=20 minefields and antiaircraft positions. The bombs were said to have had = an=20 enormous psychological impact on the enemy, which the American military = quickly=20 exploited by dropping leaflets stating that unless Iraqis surrendered, = more were=20 on the way.=20

It is no surprise that a weapon of such ferocity would grab the = attention of=20 the media. Many reports, though, have mistakenly described the Daisy = Cutter as a=20 fuel-air bomb. "That's absolutely incorrect," explains Robert Hewson, = editor of=20 Jane's Air Launched Weapons. "This bomb does not ignite oxygen, turning = the air=20 into fire. The damage comes from the overpressure." When asked what, = then,=20 happens to a person standing in its way, Hewson remarks, "He'd simply be = flattened. Crushed. There'd be severe damage to one's internal organs."=20

With such firepower in mind, you might wonder why don't we just drop = more of=20 them on the enemy. Because these bombs are delivered by a C-130, an = extremely=20 large, slow-flying aircraft, enemy ground forces can pose a threat to = the=20 plane's crew even before the bomb is released. "It has to be a most = benign=20 environment," says Hewson. "During the Cold War, no one would ever think = of=20 using them on the Warsaw Pact so these bombs simply stacked up, = collecting=20 dust." Only when air superiority is achieved, as in Iraq and now in = Afghanistan,=20 can a BLU-82 be safely dropped.=20

Still, the very nature of the bomb has made it controversial. = Britain's=20 Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon had to defend its use against the Taliban. = "One=20 large bomb is used in substitution for a range of smaller ones and if, = in fact,=20 it hits the target more effectively, then it's an entirely appropriate = weapon,"=20 Hoon explained to the BBC. He later went on, "These weapons are not = being used=20 against the civilian population of Afghanistan, they are being used to = deal with=20 military targets--military targets that ultimately could threaten = coalition=20 forces."=20

Even so, there's no denying that the Daisy Cutter is a terrifying = weapon.=20 Hewson relates the story of a British SAS unit in Iraq during the Gulf = War. The=20 men had apparently witnessed the detonation of a Daisy Cutter when one = of them=20 exclaimed, "My God, the Yanks are using nukes!"

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