X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: f4f17,1fea113a30411707 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4f17,public X-Google-Thread: fc9f9,1fea113a30411707 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc9f9,public X-Google-Thread: fe7ce,1fea113a30411707 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe7ce,public X-Google-Thread: fcfb9,1fea113a30411707 X-Google-Attributes: gidfcfb9,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,1fea113a30411707 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-02-04 09:38:41 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "firstoftwins" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.seduction.fast,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: drsquare is a useless troll was Re: What does everyone reckon our chances are for the Euro 2004 qualifying? Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:41:21 -0000 Lines: 451 Message-ID: References: <3C5AC13B.9060609@mindspring.NS.com> <0lhl5ugo85pjshh3t861eimu9gq7n7tumk@4ax.com> <3C5ACEF7.1010005@earthlink.NS.net> <3C5D92E7.2070002@mindspring.NS.com> <3C5EBF1A.8070808@earthlink.NS.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1412.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1012844311 1964 217.134.229.132 (4 Feb 2002 17:38:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Feb 2002 17:38:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:14404 alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian:35722 alt.politics.socialism:15311 alt.seduction.fast:74964 comp.os.linux.advocacy:187331 "Jonathan Ball" wrote in message news:3C5EBF1A.8070808@earthlink.NS.net... > drsquare wrote: > > > On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:43:47 GMT, in alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, > > (Jonathan Ball ) wrote: > > > > > >>drsquare wrote: > >> > >> > >>>So what? All they have to do is smack it down the pitch with those sticks > >>>like in golf. The only thing stopping them from scoring from the other end > >>>of the pitch is all that padding. > >>> > >>You don't know what you're talking about. Any idiot > >>can run around on a field kicking at something; > >> > > > > Then why don't you take it up? You could make �50,000 a week. > > I didn't say I could do it well enough to make money at > it. But I can *basically* do it, with no training. > You couldn't skate down the ice if your life depended > on it. > > > > > > > >>even > >>you can probably do it. Let's see you even *stand* on > >>ice skates, let alone take a shot at the puck without > >>landing on your fat ass. > >> > > > > How could I, seeing as I have never ice-skated or played ice-hockey before? > > Well, there you go. Any human being capable of basic > jogging, for christ's sake, can dribble a soccer ball > down a field. Not with a skilled defender trying to > take it away from him, of course, but simply basic > kicking the ball down the goddamned field. Ice hockey > takes a whole extra set of skills, way beyond what Joe > Sixpack - you - have. > > > > > >>from it. I can, however, run down a field kicking a > >>ball, and if no one were bothering me I could put it in > >>a soccer goal. > >> > > > > Wow, maybe you're the next Maradona. > > You're damned right: I *would* use my hands. What > kind of a colossally stupid fucking game is it that > you're not allowed to use your hands? > > > > > > > >>Hockey is orders of magnitude more difficult than soccer. > >> > > > > Throwing a needle through a 1cm hole form 10 yards away is even more > > difficult, but it's still completely fucking boring. > > Not quite as boring as soccer, though. > > > What is so good about > > a sport being hard? That just means it's harder to play and there is less > > chance of you enjoying it. > > That's why we have professionals, you drunken idiot yobbo. > > > > > > > >>>So what? The pitch is 4 times the length and width. And you can actually > >>>see the ball. > >>> > >>If you weren't drunk and/or fucked up on speed all the > >>time, you could see the puck, too. > >> > > > > If you're paying full attention, and not watching anything else on the rest > > of the pitch. > > It's a measure of your stupidity and yobbishness that > you don't realize how important it is, in almost any > game, to watch the action *away* from the ball (or puck). > > > > > > > >>>>Change the pitch size and the rules of football if > >>>>necessary. > >>>> > >>>It's not necessary, it's fine as it is. > >>> > >>It's boring and mindless as it is. > >> > > > > It's exciting and interesting. > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... > > > > > > > >>>>I was complaining about it, doofus: the back-and-forth > >>>>that results in the team not getting off a shot. > >>>> > >>>Maybe that's because the other team know how to defend. > >>> > >>Haw haw haw. It's because it's *too easy* to "defend". > >> > > > > Or maybe in hockey it's *too easy" to attack. > > No. It certainly isn't too easy to attack > *successfully*. That's why a fair number of hockey > games are won 2-1 or 3-2. > > > > > > > >>>In hockey, you can > >>>just hit it from wherever you are, no build-up necessary. > >>> > >>You haven't watched much hockey. > >> > > > > I have. > > Bullshit. > > > > > > > >>>>You pussy poofter. NO ONE defends the way they do in > >>>>hockey. > >>>> > >>>If they knew how to defend, then how do they get so many shots in? > >>> > >>They don't get very many shots *in*. The goalie stops > >>most of them. > >> > > > > Getting a shot in does not mean scoring, > > Yes, it does, you colossal ignoramus. A "shot on goal" > is defined as one that the goalie has to stop, or else > it will score. The game announcer will say "he > shoots!" just because the guy is *attempting* to shoot > at the goal, but it isn't recorded as a "shot on goal" > unless it scores, or would have scored if the goalie > didn't stop it. > > Goddamn, don't you know *anything*? > > > it means getting a shot in. Nice > > of you to dodge the subject. > > Nice of you to parade your ignorance around like one of > those team banners the drunken yobs run around with. > > > > > > > >>>If they defended, then the opposition wouldn't be able to get so many shots > >>>on goal. > >>> > >>You don't know what you're talking about. The fact > >>that so few shots make it past the goalie is due to a > >>great extent to the defense. The defender reduces the > >>number of angles for the shooter, but he can't take > >>away all of them. > >> > > > > Exactly. And in football, they defend better, > > Too easily. > > Get rid of "offside" in soccer, then it would be > interesting. What a goddamned stupid rule: you have a > guy who skillfully gets behind the defender *and* is > co-ordinated enough to receive and control the pass, > and it's disallowed. Moronic; utterly moronic. > You idiot! Fucking goal sneak. > > so less shots get in. > > Football has other aspects to it other than mere shooting. It is not a > > one-dimensional sport like hockey. > > It has about 2/3 of a dimension: men pointlessly > running around in their underwear. > > > > > > > >>>Not difficult when the pitch is as big as my back garden and they're on > >>>ice, making it incredibly irritating to try to follow. > >>> > >>Try laying off the Fuller's or Tennant's for a while, > >>then you'll be able to focus. > >> > > > > Have you ever tried watching hockey sober? Completely fucking boring. > > Fastest game on earth that doesn't involve motors. > > > > > > > >>>>violence tends to stay on the playing surface, not in > >>>>the stands. > >>>> > >>>Same with football, except there isn't violence in either place. You must > >>>be thinking of football in the 70s. > >>> > >>I was thinking of Heysel in the 1980s, actually. > >> > > > > Wow, a one-off incident over a decade ago. You really must be clutching at > > straws now. > > > > > >>>>I have just two words: Heysel Stadium. > >>>> > >>>I have some more words: Living In The Past > >>> > >>The 1990s. Read it and weep, you drunken yobbo. All > >> > >>from > > > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sport/football/newsid_112000/112863.stm > >> > > > > Wow, a couple of incidents every year, fucking amazing. > > There's nothing at all like it in *any* sport in North > America. Nothing. > > > I've been to thousands of football matches, > > Oh, I bet you have! > > > and guess how many serious incidents there > > have been? None. > > Sure there were. You were passed out drunk under the > stands, so you missed it all. > > > > > > > >>It's mainly you Brits. You're all a bunch of poofters > >>who need the Yanks to keep you from having to learn > >>German every 20 to 40 years, but for some reason you'll > >>fight over football. > >> > > > > If you're going to use the Heysel incident to put down football, then I'm > > going to use the Columbine school shooting to put down gun legalisation. > > And prove what a moron you are. If just a couple of > teachers had been packing heat, the whole thing > probably wouldn't have happened at all; and if it had > happened, the toll would have been much lower. > > You need to read some of John Lott's research in this area. > > > > > > > >>World Cup, June 1998 > >> > >>France - Police fire tear gas to control fights > >>involving English and Tunisian fans, and local Arab > >>youths in Marseille. There are 49 arrests, including 27 > >>English fans, with 30 people injured. > >> > > > > That's nothing. You Americans must be really soft if you get all wound up > > over a few arrests and a bit of fighting. > > You are a drunken cocksucker if you're going to defend > that kind of misbehavior. That isn't "boys will be > boys", you drunken lout. > > > > > > > >>May 1998 > >> > >>Argentina - Three fans killed in a shoot out between > >>gangs and police outside a stadium in Buenos Aires. > >>Local championships suspended while clubs tighten > >> > > > > Between gangs? Yeah, that's all football's fault. > > > > > >>security. Around 80 killed in football related violence > >>in last five years. > >> > > > > So fucking what? Replace football with any other sport as the national > > sport, and have fans with just the same levels of devotion and passion for > > their sides, and you will get such incidents. > > Doesn't happen in North America, pally. And it doesn't > happen with other sports around the world. > > > > > > > >>Germany - Trams pelted with stones and 268 arrested > >>before Cologne's relegation decider with Bayer Leverkusen. > >> > > > > Wow, throwing stones. I'm practically shitting myself. > > Stones can go through glass, shitbag, and hit someone > in the eye. Do you think that's trivial? > > You're a fucking idiot, you know? Just a right fucking > idiot. I hope some drunken yob kicks your teeth in > some day. Oh, wait - you're a Brit. Your teeth have > already rotted out. > > > > > > > >>Italy - Riot police and dogs take to the pitch and fire > >>tear gas into stands when Atalanta's game with Juventus > >>has to be suspended following missile throwing by home > >>fans. > >> > > > > How many missiles? An enourmous barrage of bombs, grenades and darts, or > > merely flares and coins? > > You're just unbelievable. Flares could cause serious > injury. > > > > > > > >>Italy - Violence flares on terraces at Italy versus > >>England World Cup qualifier in Rome. England fans blame > >>heavy handed Italian police. > >> > > > > So football is bad because Italian pigs are a load of wankers? > > The "England fans" were blaming the wrong group. They > should have looked in the mirror and said, "What a lot > of drunken shitbags we are", and then committed mass > suicide. > > > > > > > >>Russia - More than 100 arrested in Moscow after two > >>clashes between fans wielding iron bars, bottles and > >>clubs left scores injured. > >> > > > > So? That's fucking nothing. > > It *would* be nothing if one of those iron bars had > connected with your empty but thick skull. You're a > worthless shitbag. > > > You must be incredibly sensitive to take note > > of such incidents. > > > > > >>Holland - Ajax fan beaten to death by fans of fierce > >>rivals Feyenoord. > >> > > > > Compare that to how many people get killed in road accidents or by AIDS. > > No. It's an invalid and moronic comparison. But > typical for you. > > You're the dumbest fat fuck ever to show up here. > > > > > > > >>Italy - A 24-year-old Genoa fan stabbed to death by a > >>teenaged AC Milan supporter. Three months later two > >>policemen stabbed trying to disarm a fan during > >>Roma-Lazio tie. > >> > > > > A couple of stabbings. Never seen anything like that before. Outside > > football grounds, Italian streets are havens of peace and tranquility. > > > > > >>Ireland - Friendly international between Republic of > >>Ireland and England in Dublin abandoned after 27 > >>minutes when England fans riot. > >> > > > > Were you even at that game? No, you weren't, so you have no room to > > comment. > > I have plenty of room to comment, you dumb fat fuck. > It was a criminal riot, brought to us courtesy of - who > else? - the drunken British yobboes. > > > > > > > >>Sweden 1992 - Violence and destruction by English > >>hooligans in Malmo and Stockholm at the European > >>championship finals raises doubts within Uefa about > >>whether England should host the next tournament in > >>1996. German fans also riot during the tournament. > >> > > > > So what? Any sport with the same number of passionate and loyal supporters > > will have such incidents. The only reason football attracts hooligans is > > because it's the sport the majority follow. > > Like I'm going to take *your* word for that. You are a > shameless apologist for criminal violence. > > > > > > > >>Germany 1991 - fan shot dead in a fight between Leipzig > >>and Berlin supporters. > >> > > > > Many more were killed in the Columbine school shooting. I guess schools > > must be bad places as well then. > > > > > > > >