X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,ba31c1eee468bb0 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-09-13 07:21:27 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: patches Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Patches... Message-ID: References: <3B9A074C.62C5@hotmail.com> <3B9A229F.12B7@hotmail.com> <3B9BD5CC.DEA40E54@gtcom.net> <3B9CC2B2.255@hotmail.com> <3B9D0074.14CD3901@gtcom.net> <3B9D0AC5.59C1@hotmail.com> <42mrpts494u1gi1tjjabjirrf2vu8p178f@4ax.com> <1000211186.14800@itz.pp.sci.fi> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 60 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:21:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.42.151 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com 1000390876 24.0.42.151 (Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:21:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:21:16 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:7441 >Without commenting on the rest of your post, this is incorrect. Making >content, such as ASCII art, available over the WWW does emphatically not >place it into the public domain. This is true, and I do realize the copyright laws of the internet are still being written, however, someone who would be unscrupulous in nature would still take advantage of what he can take off the web... If the source code was no so easily available, it might have been harder for people to take off the web, if you couldn't right click and save, it would still be hard, in the end, the file still downloads to your pc and even the most determined person could go looking for something they want, and alter, change, steal or do whatever they like without obtaining permission first to do so. You can put a @copyright 2002 all you want on a site, but unless you actually copyright, it means very little in a court of law. Most people on the web, are simply wanting a link back to a site, or credit for there art, and that is understandable and should be given. When I first was learning html, I had little knowledge of how to do things, and now I try to be more careful, but even I admit that it gets difficult to trace exactly where you might have gotten something. Now, I tend to stick to graphics I have had made for my site, or have captured from IRC... trying to use art with the initials kept in it so credit can be given. >If you do not care, you should consider stating so on the website. Then >mirroring it would be completely legal. My site changes to much to be mirrored, someone could mirror it all they like, but in the end, they'd not have a perfect mirror since I change things on a fairly regular basis... Her cd image shows a very different site.. I wouldn't care what she does with it now. >especially not in minor cases like this. It still does exist, and >should be respected. And when actual, printed books enter the picture, >the probability of someone caring enough to sue someone else does go up, >as there is actual money involved and as publishers are notoriously >paranoid about copyright. > I agree. >such necessity exists, so there is no excuse, legal or moral, for not >respecting Veronica's wishes. well I don't see where Brenda didn't do that, she made the attempts last year to get people to come forward about art she wished to use, but few if anyone came forward. Second, Brenda is also just learning html, her site was mostly built by her friend and Brenda I believe had to figure out how to remove that stuff, she has done so, and it was done within a few days, when she realized she needed to remove the entire image off the site. >As far as any playing card can be original, Veronica's certainly is. It >is based on the same basic design as any traditional King of Hearts, but >a) this design is ancient, and b) even if it were recent enough to fall still she used a design based on something someone else did. patches