X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,9c5db9e6be40caff X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-02-16 17:04:16 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!news1.carrier1.net!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ppunk@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: OT: Spamfighting (was: All YOUR Romantic Needs - Relationship101.com 9857) Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: <16gr8tgalfh8057ciisd8uakbji47jar43@4ax.com> References: <8okg8tc8cv5b5r720ciljg9fp3fjb1akjs@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 162 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:04:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.93.74.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 982371855 213.93.74.225 (Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:04:15 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:04:15 MET Xref: supernews.google.com alt.ascii-art:4447 On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:39:15 GMT, Nate / DAC provoked the following text: >> >isn't a Posix system at all, just another unix-like operating system. No multitasking >> >support either. (For that, get JOS :) >> JOS? Don't know that one. But what i _do_ know is that multitasking is >> impossible on a C64/128, it could do taskswitching though. >Not at all. > >A Stock C64 can multitask with LUnix (note the exact spelling). This one >is pre-emptive, but I don't know if it's threaded or not, been a while >since I last played with it. Very Unix-like. Funny, besides myself you are the only one i have ever seen mentioning LUnix. I have played around a bit with it too. >For Super-CPU accellerated machines, JOS does a great job. This one is >multi-threaded pre-emptive multitasking. Also very Unix-like. > >The other night, for example, I as running two GUI interfaces (by >accident, I only meant to load one), four shells were open with bitmap >soft-80 display drivers, a starfield/warp demo (similar to the windows >screensaver), reading a text file as needed, and an IRC client was open. > >The GUI looks similar to Windows variants, however it's not complete >(author has been spending his resources on other parts of the OS). It >features a backdrop image (root window, wallpaper, whatever you like to >call it), which is a red Ferrari, joystick control for the pointer (with a >unique accelleration routine..starts out slow, and speeds up, then slows >back down to a stop when you let go...ingenious!), mouse support is >coming. Of course, you could use a 1351 mouse in joystick mode. As soon as mouse support is here you can use it in proportional mode as it should. >Others who have used it report that it can access the Internet (telnet >only for now) via the usual PPP over TCP/IP, like any modern PC. COOL!!! I thought that only Novaterm offered TCP/IP. >What C64/128 can't do (at least, without a hardware addon of some kind) is >memory protection, which people seem to think is necessary for >Multitasking to occur. All it does is protect programs from each other >(fat lot of good it does since the OS usually shuts them down anyway) > >Now then.....you were saying? :) Okay, i'll shut up.... :-))) >> However, back when my 128 still worked, i have had a tool that used >> the processor in whatever floppydrive you had as a copro. All drives >> you have could be used to that purpose. (but it was advisable to leave >> 1 drive untouched or you wouldn't have drive access). Something like a >> rudimentary Breowulf cluster, only slower :-) > >Most disk-turbo routines use this capability also, running code inside the >drive to take some of the load off the C64 itself. Unfortunately it >doesn't apply too well to much outside of, say, compressing data or >something. Dunno, i thought it showed great promise. It came with a demo that did a complex calculation in dual CPU mode as well as in single CPU mode. Dual CPU mode was a lot faster, needless to say. >That is, something that involves sending out less data than it takes in, >because of how slow the serial bus is. > >Now if you have a CMD Hard Drive, which offers Parallel, You don't need a CMD drive to have a parallel drive. There were/are kits around that had a flatcable with a socket for one of the chips (can't remember which one, i thionk it was one of the CIA chips) and on the other end it had a userport connector. I think the exact layout must me on the web somewhere. Anyway, with that kit you could have a standard 1541 in parallel mode. >you have a much >more powerful "coprocessor" (aside from what the Super CPU does) that just >happens to have 64K of RAM, and up to 4 gigs of SCSI-Interfaced mass >storage atached to it (up to 96 gigs with custom software), and the >possibility to add CD-ROM, ZIP, and other SCSI devices. I know. >> Hold on, it was not really a tool but a demo, but it came with VisAss >> sources so that the code could be incorporated in your own code. >> Alternatively, the program could be called from floppy IIRC. > >One of my favorite disk drive demos was one that vibrated the drive's head >(by rapidly sending signals to the stepper motor) to play simple one-voice >music :-) I had that one! It came with a number of song, "99 Luftbalons" amongst others. >> Ah... The C64/128 could have come furter that it already went.... >Believe me, it HAS. See also: > >Hardware: Creative Micro Designs (Super CPU, RamLink, etc) >http://www.cmdweb.com/cbm/index.htm I know this site. I have ordered my FD4000 from them. I also have been a subscriber to CW from issue #1 through to #24. >Music: Compute's Gazette SID Collection >http://members.xoom.com/cbm_files/music.html > >Music: High Voltage SID Collection >http://home.freeuk.net/wazzaw/HVSC/ I haven't looked, do you need a SIDSymphony for these tunes? >Software: Applications, Technical Documents >ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/cbm One of the best known CBM FTP sites. >Software: JOS (Unix/X -like multitasking OS, very good) >http://www.jolz64.cjb.net/ > >Software: CLiPS (Windows-like multitasking OS, also very good) >http://www.clips64.de > >Software: Wheels (single-tasking Mac-like OS, official GEOS upgrade) > The Wave (Semi-graphical Web Browser) > GeoFAX (Fax-modem software for GEOS/Wheels) >http://www.ia4u.com/~maurice Jos looks appealing and so does Clips. I liked GEOS so i'm sure i'd like Wheels, i already knew GeoFax but this is the first time i have heared of the Wave. Pity they don't show any screenshots... Does it run standalone or does it need GEOS/Wheels? >Books: The Internet for Commodore Users >http://cbm.videocam.net.au/tifcu/index.html Then you wil like this one too, an (offline) HTML browser for the C64: http://hem.passagen.se/harlekin/ >Documentation: Project 64 >http://project64.c64.org Ermm... 404.... >Need I say more? :) Oh, but there is a lot more to be said. As i wrote before, the C64/128 could have come further than it already went. ]My biggest disappointment was that many of these sites haven't been updated in ages. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Draai je V3.03 al van de SETI@home client? http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 811wu/8740hrs Horses are not to be housed within 50 feet of any road. (Mississippi state law)