X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,9c5db9e6be40caff X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-02-20 16:46:02 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ppunk@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: OT: Spamfighting (was: All YOUR Romantic Needs - Relationship101.com 9857) Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <16gr8tgalfh8057ciisd8uakbji47jar43@4ax.com> <2g3u8tgim9e14esk4a7nh9mesg9o6d3oas@4ax.com> <60u09t8aabjgmcqgi4fmimgsadebq2tp0j@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 65 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:42:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.93.74.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 982716136 213.93.74.225 (Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:42:16 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:42:16 MET Xref: supernews.google.com alt.ascii-art:4510 On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:20:51 +0200, Ville Jouppi provoked the following text: >>> Talking about emulators: Years ago, the best C64 emu one could get >>> was C64S, is that still the case or are there better emu's now? >> >>C64S isn't all that great compared to the others - CCS64 and VICE the the >>two big ones right now. VIC is the only one that emulates PETs, the B and >>C 128's, VIC-20, and others. CCS64, if I remember right, is the most >>cycle-exact and fastest of the two. >> >>VICE's features, though, clearly outweigh CCS64's speed/cycle exactness. I like VICE, it plays demos very well, better than C64S did. I also tried CCS64 but i git this flicker after loading an image... >>I know Ville Jouppi is on this newsgroup also, maybe he can answer this >>one. >> >>How about it, Jope? > >Yes, I was almost going to comment on that one when Peter mentioned C64S.. >C64S was very good back in '95, but nowadays it's been well surpassed by the >newer emulators. At one point it seemed that everyone and their dog was coming >out with a C64 emulator. Well, a few did rise out of the grey mass; > >VICE >CCS64 >Frodo > >Frodo was the first cycle exact emulator, but it's quite forgotten nowdays.. >It was too far ahead of it's time.. When it came on the Amiga, there wasn't a >machine fast enough to handle the heaviest version. >Sorry, can't find an URL for this emulator. :-( > >CCS64 is WinTel only, does a good job and has been a good choice from the very >beginning. It was the first to offer cartridge and REU support, for example. >http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64 > >VICE is portable, there are versions for quite a few platforms.. As Nate said, >it's very feature rich, but not quite as exact as CCS. The C64 and PET >emulators are good, but the VIC and C128 sides aren't 100% yet. Still waiting >for the 264-series.. ;-) >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/%7Edsladic/vice/vice.html > >I use Vice normally, and then switch to CCS if something doesn't look right >with Vice. It's a matter of taste.. Before I started using VICE I swore by >CCS.. :-) > >This is veering quite fast into comp.emulation.cbm.. :-) LOL!!! I have been considering going there. Would i see you and Nate there? -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Draai je V3.03 al van de SETI@home client? http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. 827wu/1.27yrs The human animal differs from the lesser primates in his passion for lists of "Ten Best". -- H. Allen Smith