X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,9c5db9e6be40caff X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-02-20 12:03:38 PST From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: OT: Spamfighting (was: All YOUR Romantic Needs - Relationship101.com 9857) Date: 20 Feb 2001 21:02:52 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 58 Message-ID: <6uhf1pktqr.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <16gr8tgalfh8057ciisd8uakbji47jar43@4ax.com> <2g3u8tgim9e14esk4a7nh9mesg9o6d3oas@4ax.com> <60u09t8aabjgmcqgi4fmimgsadebq2tp0j@4ax.com> X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Feb 2001 20:02:52 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: galapagos.ethz.ch X-Trace: 20 Feb 2001 21:03:31 +0100, galapagos.ethz.ch Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: supernews.google.com alt.ascii-art:4500 ppunk@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) writes: > On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:19:06 GMT, Nate / DAC provoked the > following text: > > >One friend of mine is working on a whole new C64 board - he wants to try > >to pack the entire board, plus a few enhancements, into a single chip (in > >VHDL I think). Cool. An FPGA C64 clone. URL? Then an Amiga clone, then at 100s of MHz, with all mods. Who cares then any more what Commodores owner du jour does or doesn't? > Very High Density Layers? VHDL = VHSIC Hardware Description Language VHSIC = Very High Speed Integrated Circuit This is a programming language used to describe the interconnections of an chip circuit. Alternatives are Verilog, Abel, Palasm, Handel-C, Cnets, JBits, ... After editing one runs the file through an simulator (that was the original purpose of VHDL and Verilog, simulator input for logic design verification). Today one can then either use an silicon compiler and generate an chip layout (where the transistors go and how they are wired), or use an FPGA compiler and load the resulting file into an FPGA chip which is then programmed and which then becomes ones own personal chip. FPGA = Field Programmable Gate Array FPGAs are the "in" thing among avant garde emulator writers. Why write some slow software that burns through an PIII-800 to run an emulator at single C64 speed, when one can make an $5-50 chip into an 10-30 times faster C64 clone? And then directly plug in keyboard an monitor and have 38... Basic Bytes appear full screen, seconds after power up. And as FPGA code is code just like C code, there is already talk of open source hardware designs. P.S. I have just this January started an project to FPGA clone the 1970s PDP-10 mainframe: http://neil.franklin.ch/Projects/PDP-10/ > Anyway, it sounds promising... That it is. These are interesting times we live in. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic