X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,b8b1a663c4829ea5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-30 05:05:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!trev!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail From: Mel Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Mr.Genius Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:06:51 +0200 Organization: www.AdderleyStreet.co.za Lines: 161 Message-ID: References: <9vv7pt$i1q7i$1@ID-79724.news.dfncis.de> <2k992us122g7dnn8n78l46ni5ur7fumnga@4ax.com> <3c252255$0$46364$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial86.mindspring.co.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ctb-nnrp1.saix.net 1009717550 373 196.25.102.86 (30 Dec 2001 13:05:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Dec 2001 13:05:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: archiver1.google.com alt.ascii-art:13063 On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:11:11 -0600, Taliszanna sucked my dick and said: >On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mel wrote: >> Africa has been the pawn and the football of the powerful nations for as >> long as the white man's history... > You are missing a lot of early European history then. Europe has >had history for much longer than they've known Africa. we all came from africa... >> so this generation has had its wakeup call on 9.11, but I think its going to >> take more of your deaths to make you realise how serious and desperate the >> situation in Africa is, before you relent... > The terrorism in the U.S.A. was an attack on THEM, not Europe and >it had nothing to do with S.Africa-- it was to do with Osama Bin Laden >wanting his name to go down in history because he's an egotistical >swine. you have probably no idea how truly villainous the rulers of europe over the millennia were... OBL cannot hope to aspire to be as evil as the evil that has _ruled_ this planet previously... even the popes of the past have outshown his evil deeds... and i don't consider what obl did as evil... america continues to support israel's genocide against the palestinians and thus is a legitimate target... palestinian civilians die, it is proper that american citizens die too... i don't give a fuck what bush says... he is a fucking arsehole... bush (and most americans) don't give a fuck about the millions of arabs israel kills and oppresses... the israelis (who are all jews) have committed a greater atrocity against the arabs than hitler did against them... bush is a fucking terrorist... another example of evil... western history is a blatant twisting of facts to conceal their evil... no, america and the west deserve far worse than what obl did to them on 9.11... > I know that people in Afghanistan are very poor and life is hard, >but tough shyte if they are bad at business. oh fuck you... at 21, I cannot expect you to have a sophisticated appreciation of reality... the only reason the arabs of the middle east are not poverty stricken wanderers of the desert was that they lucked out on oil reserves... that has fuck all to do with being good or bad at business... johannesburg is only wealthier than cape town because they have huge gold reserves... the mongolian people lived in abject poverty in a barren geographic region... they grew tired of their poverty and Genghis Khan built the Mongolian Empire which conquered China, Persia, Russia and Eastern Europe... what I'm saying is that most people just get rich by virtue of where they stay, but others who stay in poorer regions get fed up and take by force the luxury that others enjoy... it has always happened, and the same will happen in the west... despite all your confidence in your military prowess, the west will be defeated and molten silver will be poured in your eyes and down your throats... (this is how Genghis Khan tortured people to death)... >No one ever promised them a rose garden. we want it nonetheless and we will have it... > It's not an attack on a less wealthy nation when one country >makes a good business move by trading with, say, France because it will be >profitable. It is simply good business. Business is not about being nice >or charitable or giving hand-outs. neither is war... hording of wealth is a declaration of war against those in poverty... is has always been that way... when someone is holding a razor edged dagger to the soft spot in your throat and you know that within the next 5 seconds it is going to be plunged into your throat till it protrudes out the back of your neck, and that you will writhe and wriggle in pain as you choke to death on your own blood, how willing would you be to hand over your entire fortune for just another hour of life...? but only when it is too late do people wake up and realise that by hording their wealth and closing their eyes to the abject poverty of others are they signing their own death warrants... or those of their descendants... how many generations of Persians lived it up before one day their great great grandchildren were massacred wholesale by the invading Mongols...? 9.11 is a mere foretaste of what is waiting for either you or your descendants... > It is about making money by being >smart when the figures are added up-- and it is wrong for those who aren't >doing well to go kill 30,000 people because they're sulking that they're >not the big weiner and don't get to be the girl with the most cake and >the princess crown. nevertheless disenfranchised people have always risen up to take what another made... it is not whether you were smart or you produced it, it is whether having acquired wealth you are able to hold onto it... why do you think the West spends so much on its military...? because they know that that is the only way to retain their wealth... your personal morals might include property rights, but nature does not have any law which safeguards them... you keep what you have only by virtue of greater force... but if we cannot take it, then we will destroy it so that you cannot enjoy it either... humanity is at war with each other because people refuse to share their surplus... even though people have more than they need, they crave yet more... to the detriment of others... >> you might be living in comfort and ease... but we're not, and while that >> disparity exists, you should fear... > Do you think that the countries of North America do nothing to >help nations that suffer? absolutely yes... you willingly participate in the destruction of palestinian lives... and you seek profits from poor continents like africa... > Pardon me, but that is one of the things that >Canada puts a lot of time into. Peace Keepers don't just try to keep >people from blowing the shyte out of each other-- they also spend a >lot of their time giving relief to the nations that they are shipped to, >whether it is wartime or not. Canada is not alone in that. America also >does its share. Your view of America and Canada both seems to be missing >a few pieces. apart from a miniscule portion of people who involve themselves in relief work, the greatest majority of people feel that the wealth they have is for their sole use... the wealthiest nations of this world have been asked by africa and other developing economic regions to forgive their debt so that they can invest it in infrastructure... so far no debt relief has been given... some scientists have calculated that based on the environmental destruction caused by first world economies, those first world countries actually owe the developing countries a huge debt... we don't want your pennies... we want your trillions... and until we get a real redress, africa and other developing countries will be places where terrorists are spawned... it is your choice... pay us or die... -- smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself if in doubt, suck me www.AdderleyStreet.co.za