X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,46f7ffd7dc8d55e8 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-04-10 15:02:26 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ppunk@damthatspam.chello.nl (Peter Punk) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Windows prehistory (was Re: Jave - Yet another release) Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <3ACE1564.6E43CC70@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <9alqq4$g43$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <3ACEFB90.FF23EFB0@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <3ad02de0.1487039@news.ntlworld.com> <6u1yr194d4.fsf_-_@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:02:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.93.74.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 986940123 213.93.74.225 (Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:02:03 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:02:03 MET DST Xref: supernews.google.com alt.ascii-art:5222 On 09 Apr 2001 22:59:19 +0200, Neil Franklin provoked the following text: >> >> You want to lear how to put thousands of lines of code together to one >> >> huge program with lots of bugs and bad code design? You must be kidding >> >> ;-) >> >Don't knock it, Bill Gates isn't doing too badly... >> You may know that Windows is modeled after the Mac Classic OS called "Lisa". >That is a garbled version of the story. No, it was an extremely abbreviated version of Lisa's history. >Lisa did not run on Macs. It ran on its own pre-Mac 5MHz 68000 >based hardware (all in one, but with 2 5.25" floppies next to the >screen). Later after launching the Mac, MacOS was ported to the Lisa >hardware, which was renamed Mac XL. Short after Lisa was killed. > >Both Windows and Lisa were modeled after the Smalltalk software of >the Xerox Alto. Lisa by an Apple employee called Jef Raskin after >visiting an Xerox demo. Windows by an ex-Xerox MS employee Charles >Simonji (he also did Word for DOS after the Xerox Bravo editor). > >Xerox was an famous "develop here, success elsewhere" firm: >workstations, bitmap graphics, object oriented programming, GUI, >Ethernet, Laser printer, PostScript were all Xerox developments. I know all that, but it just didn't seem relevant to the story i was trying to tell. >> But did you know that before releasing Windows 1.00 (1,5 years late, but that's >> a different story) he made the developers take out a number of features they >> have built in because Lisa didn't have those features either? > >Later Steve Jobs saw Lisa (which cost $10000) and demanded an >smaller/simpler ($2500) version, which lead to the Mac. And Bill saw >the Mac and that users liked it and demanded that Windows be reduced >to slavishly follow it, even when inferior. And God became grieved over it and decided to create Linus Torvalds. >Interestingly Lisa was also bloated relative to what Raskin wanted. He >later realised his original intention as the Canon Cat (all in one, >even keyboard built in, 1 3.5" floppy vertical against screen, 256k RAM >copied entirely to floppy and re-read from it, only software in ROM, >more like an keyboard-PDA, no mouse). And that's something i _didn't_ know. Thanks for sharing. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Op zoek gaan naar buitenaards leven? Kijk op http://home.hetnet.nl/~setiathomegroep/index.html voor tips, antwoorden, discussies. links, downloads en meer. "Life is like a bowl of soup with hairs floating on it. You have to eat it nevertheless." -- Flaubert