X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f996b,5c20982a40141948 X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-04-21 15:35:07 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3AE20BE1.7A767546@homail.com> From: Kyle Baker Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: snow foolin diddle References: <9bonc5$34c$1@news.netmar.com> <20010420105203.13321.00000387@ng-ci1.aol.com> <3AE0757B.CB58337@homail.com> <9bpt8f$2he$1@news.inet.tele.dk> <3AE09438.D7DBBEDD@homail.com> <9bsq5v$mop$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 61 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:35:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.148.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc2.tx.home.com 987892506 24.13.148.172 (Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:35:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:35:06 PDT Xref: newsfeed.google.com alt.ascii-art:5333 Purity is a direction, not a line that we cross (Joshua Harris said something like that.) As far as the "natural law of moral behaviour", since when was man naturally moral? I may have misunderstood you. Whether it is a real picture or not, it is still suggesting the same thing. Maybe I was too harsh, if so I am sorry. I am not perfect, just forgiven. I don't think we agree on the above, but at least we agree that Joan's art should not be changed in a way she does not approve of. It is disrespectful to her. I didn't want to cause an argument, sorry. Thanks for listening. uncle monty wrote: > > Kyle Baker wrote: > > > I think the pictures are immoral and therefore it would be immoral to > > view them. > > Kyle - "morality" is an awfully big word to bring into it. Take a deep > breath and ask yourself whether a few ascii characters thrown together to > suggest a naked body or sexual act truly transgresses any natural law of > moral behaviour. > > art by definition cannot be immoral. The attitude that it could be immoral > even just to _view_ certain art is an extremly dangerous one. Sure, now > it's just a complaint about sexii's snow foolin' diddle -- but later > it'll be withdrawing funding from museums because they exhibit something > someone objects to, or throwing a composer in jail because he or she > writes modernist, inaccessible music, also called immoral under certain > regimes. > > anyway, I happen to know that the women in sexii's pictures were all over > 21, were consenting and well compensated, and under supervision at all > times during the ascii rendering :-) No but really, no one is being hurt > by such pictures. I appreciate Joan's distaste because she made the pics > for her children, and out of respect for one of the true great ascii > artists, the diddler should remove Joan's art from his site now she's > disapproved. The coloured jpgs there are pretty dumb anyway. sexii should > stick to the smaller pics he's posted here, the one with a whip was quite > good. > > > If you are tempted to do this with ascii art stop drawing it. > > sorry, this sounds so much like the advice my old edition of "Scouting for > Boys" had about when you lie in bed at night and have impure thoughts. > Howver much some people are dismayed by the thought of 15-yr old boys > having a bit of a wank of an evening, doctors agree it's a healthy and > harmless pasttime. Your advice to "resist the temptation" of drawing such > ascii - or diddling others' ascii - is similarly quaint. Some people like > to draw bunnies, some people like to add cocks to other people's bunnies. > Killfile them and move on. Likewise for Tran Q - though I consider that > he provides a valuable reposting service, and if you strip the rude > messages, the art he posts is often good (though never his own of course). > I did have to laugh at the "see no evil, hear no evil" etc monkeys > recently. > > in short, don't worry if you catch a glimpse of the {i} or other immoral > ascii sequences--you won't be condemned to the eternal flames. > > --monty, who was bored this afternoon