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From: Veronica Karlsson <e93-vkn@nospam.sm.luth.se>
Subject: Re: Copyright Notice, blah, blah, blah
Date: 1997/08/27
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PeteCasso wrote:
> 
> Ignoring the emotional BS for the moment. I think that you emphasize the
> wrong thing, you emphasize the technicalities of the ascii standard (which
> is a tool) rather than artistic content (which is the essence.)

When you don't consider the technical side of things you end up with
things like wrapped lines, pictures made for proportional fonts,
pictures containing tabs or control characters etc. If the technical
stuff isn't working properly the artistic content will not come through
properly. Also I am a technician (a programmer) and as such I am very
interested in technical stuff.

> I wonder why you do not object to html art and javascript on this ng,
> those are also enhancements of ascii art beyond the scope of the ascii
> standard.

I did suggest that one such discussion should be moved to the more
appopriate newsgroup alt.ascii-art.animation but there was no response
to that suggestion. I also know what that newsgroup is like (>90% spam
and about one or two on-topic posts per week...) and realise that the
people interested in ascii animation is the same people who already read
this newsgroup. You are right, those animations don't belong here either
but the place they do belong is a desert and if they were posted there
nobody would see them.

The so called "html art" is usually based on ascii art and can easily be
"converted" back with a simple copy-and-paste procedure (in some
browsers you don't even see any difference between "ascii art" and "html
art"...). Html is also written with ascii and several of the people
here, including me, present their ascii pictures on their homepages in
html documents between a simple <PRE> .... </PRE> tag pair where the
individual pictures are identical to the corresponding ascii versions.

If you look at the files the source code of both html and javascript is
written in you will find nothing but ascii (ok, there may be some "weird
characters" there too, such as national characters that are necessary in
some languages, an example is the Swedish letters "���").

> Hint: If the joke/cartoon is on you, then chances are, you won't
> find it funny.

Actually, the only jokes you ever made that I did find funny were some
of the ones that had something to do with me. They were the only ones
that seemed to have SOME contents...

> I sometimes reply with a little pic because it says more than a thousand
> words. That's a lot easier for me, I do only easy things, you see?

I have nothing against that, I do it myself sometimes (an example is the
huge tree I posted here yesterday...) :)

> If the reply to this article is 100% emotional BS, I will ignore that.

You are free to ignore anything that you like (but how are you going to
know if it is "100% emotional BS" if you don't read it? Hmmm.... I guess
you will probably ignore this no matter what I write, but then you will
never know what I wrote.... This is beginning to feel like that question
somebody posted suggesting that those who did not see it should reply to
it.... :D )

-- 
:)
Veronica Karlsson
( e93-vkn@sm.luth.se  http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/ )