X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107c0a,299d0bc3500e024c X-Google-Attributes: gid107c0a,public X-Google-Thread: 109d8a,535e80416e502a8c X-Google-Attributes: gid109d8a,public X-Google-Thread: f4886,dbda22a9ac78d3f2 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4886,public X-Google-Thread: 10ffde,299d0bc3500e024c X-Google-Attributes: gid10ffde,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,535e80416e502a8c X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-07-31 21:45:03 PST Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!hsdndev!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!Ludwig.Plutonium From: Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium) Newsgroups: sci.bio,alt.sci.physics.plutonium,sci.chem,alt.ascii-art,sci.math Subject: Re: PARASITES INSIDE OF VIRUSES? Date: 1 Aug 1994 04:08:07 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 60 Message-ID: <31hsf7$e1o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> References: <317b4o$4pp@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <317jrc$ale@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <318qce$fna@jac.zko.dec.com> <31bdjr$ppn@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <31bp9n$a1h@riscsm.scripps.edu> <31e91i$5fk@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> flee@cse.psu.edu (Felix Lee) writes: > Sorry, no. I can trivially prove this false by considering attempts > at representing a logarithmic spiral in a 2x2 area. They're all > equally bad. :) > > ascii art is as much illusion as other art forms are, and as such, it > depends upon accidents of perception, which are partly innate, partly > learned, partly individual. There isn't even such a thing as a "best" > straight line between two points. You have to consider, best for what > purpose? > > / _/ ./ ,/ /' .' ,' > / _/ ./ ,/ /' .' ,' > / _/ ./ ,/ /' .' ,' > > Each of these conveys a different style, a different mood. And > besides, they look different on different terminals. > > (sorry for rambling about ascii art in all these sci groups, but > Ludwig brought it up.. Followups narrowed to alt.ascii-art.) > > (The best 1x1 logarithmic spiral: @.) Your last statement about 1x1 is correct. Your other statements are wrong. When you have a perfect artpiece as the logarithmic spiral or sine curve then there are no artists who can draw either one to the perfection of math, even using instruments. Some will draw a better Ln spiral than others and each can be compared as to one another and one or a class of them can be claimed the best, but none will be as perfect as the math objects. This is perhaps the first doors of comparing artwork. Art, and masterpiece paintings will not stay so to speak "immune from math analysis". And this door will also be of economic value. Already masterpiece paintings are translated into bits on computer. Photographic pictures are many bits per area. I say there is a math theorem which begins to speak of art. I conjecture such will be proved along the lines of--- given a specific number of bits. Then each work of art can be compared math artistically against one another. Some math theorem which states that given a math object, given a finite number of bits, then there is a maximal art rendering of that object and all others are inferior. Such a theorem and further theorems along the lines of art will come into economic importance in the future because the computer art will merge with photography and movie frames. In the long term future, there will no longer be any need for actors or stage props to make movies. Movies will be made from bits on the computer. We have some now, known as cartoons. The more sophisticated ones are special effects in science fiction movies. But, as the future rolls on, the computer manipulation will make people which are so difficult to tell apart from real live actors. The clue will be that the real live acting movies have blemishes, awkwardness, and have a roughness. In future movies, the people and background all originate from a computer. And the highest art work will be to maximize each frame so that it looks so lifelike. Call them computerized movies. In the future, the movie artists will be able to make a movie on Archimedes so authenthic looking that it will appear you were transported back in time and seeing the action as an eyewitness newsreporter.