X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ffde,299d0bc3500e024c X-Google-Attributes: gid10ffde,public X-Google-Thread: 109d8a,535e80416e502a8c X-Google-Attributes: gid109d8a,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,535e80416e502a8c X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-08-10 17:42:39 PST Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!math.arizona.edu!not-for-mail From: uurtamo@math.arizona.edu (Steve Uurtamo) Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.plutonium,alt.ascii-art,sci.math Subject: Re: Art, math, realism, ascii (Re: PARASITES INSIDE OF VIRUSES?) Date: 9 Aug 1994 14:42:10 -0700 Organization: Mathematics Department, University of Arizona Lines: 26 Message-ID: <328t7i$dou@ganado.math.arizona.edu> References: <328cv9$bcr@ame2.math.arizona.edu> <328hri$luc@hermes.fwi.uva.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: ganado.math.arizona.edu Xref: bga.com alt.ascii-art:11059 sci.math:17885 >Two questions: >1. Did Van Gogh take art classes ? >2. Why is this group called alt.ascii-art when it should be > alt.ascii-skill or something like that ? Face it, 99.9% of stuff > posted here is either basic, unpretending, or just a skillful > representation of an image in ascii. Ah well, guess that's personal ;) Alright, smart guy. Van Gogh was not formally educated, but he made it his goal to study under those people whom he considered the masters at the time. This includes Gaugin, whom he spent some time with before entering the asylum. It is quite obvious both from his writings to his brother, and his (and Gaugin's) art that both of the artists were very much influenced by the other. Education is education however it comes about. Some people take the burden of educating themselves, and are successful. Some people are unsuccessful and may need professional help. The quality of the education is pretty evident in their self-expression. When it becomes obvious that someone's education is hampering their ability to interact meaningfully with others, the general public may be offended to such a degree that they take it upon _themselves_ to educate others. It is sad that these things have to happen, but the value that many people place on classical education is next to zero. This is fine if they don't vote or talk in open forums about subjects which with they have no experience.