X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ffde,299d0bc3500e024c X-Google-Attributes: gid10ffde,public X-Google-Thread: f996b,535e80416e502a8c X-Google-Attributes: gidf996b,public X-Google-Thread: 109d8a,535e80416e502a8c X-Google-Attributes: gid109d8a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-08-12 23:40:07 PST Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!ames!waikato!canterbury.ac.nz!equinox.gen.nz!equinox!Colin_Douthwaite Subject: Re: Art, math, realism, ascii (Re: PARASITES INSIDE OF VIRUSES?) Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.plutonium,alt.ascii-art,sci.math Followup-To: alt.sci.physics.plutonium,alt.ascii-art,sci.math References: <31j4ev$i7t@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL3] From: Colin_Douthwaite@equinox.gen.nz (Colin Douthwaite) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 94 09:16:04 +1200 Organization: Equinox Networks Lines: 105 Xref: bga.com alt.ascii-art:11176 sci.math:18067 Ian Broverman (ian@venus.engr.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : In article Colin_Douthwaite@equinox.gen.nz (Colin Douthwaite) writes: : >Ludwig Plutonium (Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu) wrote: : > : > : >> The highest resolution photograph of a beautiful female face : >> excels the Mona Lisa. : > : >Not true. : ^^^^^^^^^ : That's pretty subjective. Ludwig can like whatever he wants to like :-) > Mathematics is a part of nature. I think that art has been > competing with nature since day one. > I agree that mathematics will not overtake art. It, like every > other medium that a creative person can get their hands on, is > becoming art. Perhaps definitions of art and mathematics could be useful ? _______ / /, / // /______// (______(/ Jussi Roine _____ _____ ,/ `+' \. // ~~ ~ + ~ ~ \\ // ~~~~ + ~~~~ \\ //________,+.________\\ '---------`-'---------- The Westminster Dictionary: ART n. employment of means and methods to do a thing well ; applied especially to industries depending on taste. ARTFUL a. made with art ; exhibiting art or skill ; cunning MATHEMATICS n. the science that treats of quantity. MATHEMATICAL a. pertaining to mathematics ; rigorously precise. Ludwig Plutonium > Show Smoot trying to measure the parameters of > a virus using a meter stick. __ || || //////// || |:---[.] || |( _J || _ _ | ^ ( _| || ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, \ / / \_____) || / ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( \( = =) / _____ \ || < ( ( ( ( ( ( ( ( / ( ^ ) | / \ | || \ (__(__(__(__(__(__(__(__) ~ | | | | || ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ \ /\ /\__ | || | | \/--- \ \ ) | >_____/_____) \__________/ || / \ || | | ~~ \ \\ \ |\ \ | \ \ | | | | | | | | | / | |________/____| (_________)____) -mh- ============================== Now it would be difficult to class the above activity as either mathematical ( rigorously precise ) or artful ( exhibiting art or sklll ). Here I think Ludwig was pointing out how certain things cannot be successfully measured with the tools of mathematics -and that is contrary to his MathArt Theories. I suggest that the above definitions would indicate that mathematics cannot be closely allied to art which has little to do with rigorous precision or quantity. However, I guess you could say that Mathematics is " employment of means and methods to do a thing well ", but Art could hardly be described as " the science that treats of quantity ". Hmmm... Bye,