X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1140c9,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gid1140c9,public X-Google-Thread: 104387,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gid104387,public X-Google-Thread: 115ed6,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gid115ed6,public X-Google-Thread: fd588,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfd588,public X-Google-Thread: fbdc8,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfbdc8,public X-Google-Thread: fe15b,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfe15b,public X-Google-Thread: 10577e,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10577e,public X-Google-Thread: f8d4e,e0b70d95333e15e,start X-Google-Attributes: gidf8d4e,public From: NODAMNSPAM __X__@jgarner.at.utm.edu (J Garner) Subject: Re: SPAM IS NOT FREE SPEECH - ITS JUST FREE ADVERTISING Date: 1997/10/14 Message-ID: <620lj0$j41$1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> X-Deja-AN: 282013020 References: <60adkp$857$1@bombay.ziplink.net> Organization: SPAM IS **NOT** FREE SPEECH Reply-To: subscribe@cyberpromo.com,postmaster@fbi.gov,root@localhost Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art.animation,alt.asian-movies,alt.astrology,alt.astrology.asian,alt.atari-jaguar.discussion,alt.atari.2600,alt.atari.2600vcs,alt.autos.ford.flathead,alt.autos.gm.monza-hspecial,alt.binaries.emulators.sega,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pornstars.janine.moderated,alt.binaries.pictures.firemen,alt.books.ghost-fiction,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tacos,alt.fan.jules-sans-scrupules,alt.fan.macross,alt.fan.scream,alt.games.dark-reign,alt.games.hexen,alt.games.sony-playstation,alt.men.alpha,alt.pirate.radio,alt.podiatry.misc,alt.podiatry.surgery,alt.prisoner.rights,alt.religion.liet.santoy,alt.sex.tel-bailliet,alt.test.tickle,alt.thebird.copwatch,alt.thebird.hippie,alt.thebird.liberal,alt.tv.macross,alt.tv.stargate-sg1 In article <60adkp$857$1@bombay.ziplink.net>, holly@aaaa.net says... > > >****************************************************************** >FREE SPEECH He actually means "free advertising". He wants all net users to pay for him to send junk email advertising porn sites, get rich quick pyramid schemes, etc, etc to anyone and everyone with an email account. When this guy pays for my network access, then he can tell me what I should and should not receive via email. > >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or >prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, >or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to >petition the Government for a redress of grievances. --- >Amendment I, The US Constitution Well, go into a crowded theatre and yell "FIRE!!!" real loud, and then come back and write about how your "right to free speech" was censored. You should realize that just because you want to say something, it doesn't necessarily fall under the category of "free speech". Libel and slander laws are another example of curbs on your so-called "free speech". And pretty soon, you and your SPAMMER friends will have angered enough people that we will be "petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances", to wit' we will be asking for stirct laws against SPAM! > >There are a few people on the Internet who complain whenever they received >unsolicited mail. Many of these individuals are the same people who feel >that the World Wide Web, Online Services and the Internet should have never >been commercialized. These "computer hippies" resent the presence of >businesses on the Internet. Actually, there are *many* "people on the internet who complain whenever they received unsolicited mail". Most people have no problems whatsoever with legitimate, responsible business on the net. Many of us use the net to advertise our own businesses. However, unsolicited mass emailings from a forged return address, using other peoples resources and hijacked mail servers to advertise illegal pyramid schemes is *NOT*doing business on the net in a responsible manner. People are quite rightly outraged at this type of behavior. > >The vast majority of people appreciate short, informative messages about >useful new products and/or services and do NOT want any "computer hippies" >and immature nerds interfering with their ability to receive potentially >valuable information on the Internet since that's what the Internet is >supposed to be all about! This is is simply not true! The "vast majority of people" *HATE* to receive unsolicited junk email (SPAM). Why do you suppose those spammers are afraid to use legitimate return addresses on their advertisements? Why do you think they have been kicked off of numerous access providers? Why do you think mail administrators and IPS's spend so much time blocking SPAM domains? Because the "vast majority of people" complain about them. > >Whether or not you like receiving E-mail, if you are a true American, then >you will fight for anybody's right to do so. Most Americans and the vast >majority of people on the Internet are opposed to imposed censorship in any >form. See my points above about yelling "FIRE!!!" in a crowded theater and the libel and slander laws. Restriction on these forms of speech is not censorship, nor is blocking SPAM censorship. Just because you want to say it, it doesn't mean that you have the right to say it to me, especially when I'm paying for my internet access and you aren't!!! > >We are continually amazed at how quickly people applaud the loss of their >freedoms. Without freedom of speech, WE HAVE LOST EVERYTHING our society >stands for. If you are irritated by unsolicited E-mails, JUST IGNORE THEM, >THIS IS THE COST OF A FREE SOCIETY! PAY YOUR DUES! In an ideal society, I would be free *NOT* to be bombarded and deluged with more than 50 unsolicited commercial emails daily. There is a difference between FREE SPEECH and FREE ADVERTISING!!! This SPAM is not free speech, is simply greedy leeches taking advantage of the nature of the internet to enrich themselves at the expense of others. > >One thing that has to be said for E-mail over snail mail, is that no trees >had to be cut down to send E-mail. It's true that no trees were cut down, but how much time, network bandwidth, disk storage space, downloading time, and other resources are wasted by these SPAMMERS who want a free advertising ride at the expense of everyone who actually pays for their internet connection???!!! > -- __X__ NODAMNSPAM __X__@jgarner.at.utm.edu http://jgarner.at.utm.edu -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQENAzOwwMMAAAEIAN+iA/ya3YTLfOlD45J5F5/kuR//XeBSYGDSXxZjVqTXAbbq ezLrOV/f3m5ioNOX1z4ETBX1sw0ocznXWec9rcJ2hS4Tbgfhx6snTZy93WxTpq/m t5kmrbXw+T6MU1ZID2coeD9N8j/R5xMHqwwcbT9ujUtCPysukcdZSWEoTAxIEyDR LsWEPWdTWsnCB6HS+7DdVAQzjVbIIToW0PLjnop0gVIRJgzRNtm74PgyBKkkQJ C3 hJ7PeTIrWR/vTt4jZkT2wnchdvn9/1O78Zus3S1WvkIrOD0CoBf32eF+B/H7H2RM D24Mec9m2wBQD3ItOd6yParKMEvPiwkH4nkI6JkABRG0IF9fWF9fIDxfX1hfX0Bq Z2FybmVyLmF0LnV0bS5lZHU+iQEVAwUQM7DAw4sJB+J5COiZAQHWTwgAn5xgg aFL kMfxXBrBmmMhVax7Sf8YN0tAtF+Oo1CIJvgT3wCT48aweaH8u+d0ZwHc1KhwNadn gXrj0OeHXRjSJY2P9g+OBvYeMFEt3llJ9fnfwY74JuR4Yni+ZDcSqNTFUyHJvd8O gp+tAp2p8sjzSxYyZzpJG/KmxPMjoTKBJ2ny+GL4gjlJbR7tjyefTsLlAMMry9eF rO935iwE3rykT4SdjQR0ZDl9sCb1SvNxn4jQYZY281I8uRtenmkg1R/vXh/bG4tB nuN6Fw//Y/hijLZyVuLvL9mhi3rnIuF3ilQeLkTLzgbQk2hzgBkWl2u7LVBuFto+ kmhHTX6OpUNAeg== =vCd+ -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----